Caribbean immigrants who arrive to the United States are often shell-shocked by the palpable presence of racism. What is all the more surprising is that these tensions are more so perpetuated by African-Americans. Before an immigrant can experience the strife and joys of the States, they are frequently discouraged, or should I say, warned. Warned that success will most certainly be harder for them. Warned that things are different ‘here’ and that the color of your skin has in more ways that one already set them up for failure.
Living in the United States as a person of color immediately affiliates you as African-American. You’re on the black team now, and as such, may find yourself in situations where you are scrutinized by other black Americans for your racial ignorance. The whole world has been touched by the angst of inequality and prejudice (including the Caribbean) but African-Americans appear to have the hardest time moving forward. Other nationalities, while heavily conscious of their ugly pasts are not nearly as tainted. It appears that Black Americans have been so grossly affected by racism that they almost lay-wait offensive behavior.
Those of us who were raised in the West Indies did not grow up in homes where race was a common topic of discussion. I never heard anyone call another person the N-word, and I never once distinguished my friends by their race. Some time ago, when I received a friend-requests from an old classmate, I was a tad bit surprised that she was Caucasian. When I reminisced on our time together I couldn’t recall her race. I always thought of her as having a lighter complexion than I, but I never thought of her as white. Growing up, we didn’t place each other in different racial categories. She was just on the lighter end of what I then considered the same color spectrum. I guess that ‘out of many one people,’ stuff does ring true. Our forms don’t request racial demographics. There are no “white” neighborhoods and our third world problems consume any possible room one could have for crimes driven wholly by hate. At best, socioeconomic class is all that truly separates (not segregates) a Caribbean nation.
While at a dinner function, I needed to reconnect with a member of the staff whom I met briefly. The hostess came by and asked me to describe the person with which I spoke. I said “he’s a short black guy with large framed glasses.” I got quite a few snarls and my companion leaned in and pinched me, as if to say, I can’t believe you just did that. When I asked “what?” She replied, “you just said the black guy.” Apparently it came off as offensive. Why? I don’t know. The gentleman is after all black. How is it more appropriate to say African-American, we don’t say African Caucasian or Anglo Caucasian. What’s so wrong with saying someone is black or white?
Another thing out of character for the Caribbean American is the assumption that race is the most likely rationale for a qualified African-American not getting a job. While I will not dispute that prejudices- whether they be racial, socioeconomic or sexual orientation- do influence the decisions of stakeholders, I’m not so quick to gesture toward the color of my skin. Too often, I see persons point to their inner arms, implying to fellow African-Americans “you know it’s cause she’s black.” Maybe she didn’t get the job because the other person is more qualified, more personable, or gels in more with the team. Maybe it was her race, but why jump to that conclusion first?
African Americans also have a keen and often unwarranted sense of racial awareness. You see, I can be at a restaurant and never once notice that my table has the only number of black people in the establishment. I would have enjoyed my meal, engaged in great conversation, and left a healthy tip, without having noticed that “we didn’t get straws with our water,” or that “the other table didn’t have to ask for their bread.” I’m not looking for racial discrepancies and as such, I don’t find any. Perhaps I am naive but what good is it to have this kind of heightened awareness? I never realized SNL didn’t have a female black comedian until the show’s scrutiny received media attention. I never noticed because I don’t need the cast to be dark-skinned to feel connected. I don’t find the situations any less relatable because a traditionally black person (I guess Maya Rudolph isn’t black enough) wasn’t on screen. I just don’t pay as much attention to these things because it first requires that I acknowledge myself as different from those on screen.
The Formula
You don’t have to live in your past to ensure you’ll never forget it. Choosing to err on the side of pleasantry doesn’t make you any less prepared for the worst. It does however, in its own self-proclamation make the unpleasant more likely. The psychological technique of autosuggestion can be described as the manifestation of persistent thoughts into tangible outcomes. It more or less dictates that if you think on any one thing often enough, it will come to fruition.
If you go into any setting with preconceived ideas of how it will be, chances are your expectations will be met. Don’t consume yourself with negative thoughts, even when hateful persons prove them warranted. You’re adding fuel to a fire that should have long been extinguished. We simply cannot move on from a past that we ourselves continue to perpetuate.
By no means am I suggesting that one ignore racist acts or persons. I am suggesting that instead of looking for racism in every act, slur or interpretation, that perhaps your outlook would be a bit brighter if you instead let it find you. We can change the course of our future if we desist from breathing life into acts of discrimination. It is not, nor will it ever be acceptable. However, we can remain conscious of the reality and fight to bring backward ideologies to an end without continuously perpetuating it in our own lives.
We don’t have to go looking for racism to know that it exists. Let’s not take the burden of that expectation into every room, setting or conversation with us. Hopefully, one day my children will live a life as blurred of race as mine was. Until then, I pray that the disparities that still separate us today will continue to dissolve.
Penny
April 17, 2016 at 6:38 pm (9 years ago)I think one major difference between the UK and the USA in terms of how each one treats BROWN people is that in the UK, I never “fit in” as in there were no “tick boxes” for me, an Aboriginal Canadian “Red” Indian (as I learned to say to distinguish in the eyes of the Europeans, saying “Red” Indian or “autochtone” immediately clarifies things) on paper so “on paper” I was pretty much nonexistent or had to tick the box, if available, for “South” American – but in person they would treat me the same as their Black British even though I was clearly neither. Not black, BROWN; not British or American, CANADIAN. But the black British people I met considered themselves BRITISH first. And they acted, sounded, and carried themselves (more or less) just like everyone else I’d meet in East London. Not as clearly and obnoxiously different as their American counterparts (whom they did not want to be identified with at any rate). My first impression of them was, wow, they’re BRITISH first and foremost. They don’t purposely and obnoxiously insist on being different “culturally” like American ones I”m always bending over backward NOT to be identified with.
As to the Caribbeans’ and Latinos’ “colourism” every time I am among them, any of them, they fully admit that I’m BROWN and not “black” and really not all that “dark.” Have Indian features, look like the other Choctaws, Chickasaws, Utes, Paiutes, Lakotas, etc., and that the only reason Americans and Canadians treat me like “black” at all is that I’m about the same shade “as a paper bag.” I pass the “can you see the blue veins in your inner arms” test, I pass the “pencil in the hair” test, etc. People just think I’m “black” because they want to think that anything with any pigmentation at all, is “black” not Indian – because “Indians are supposed to be White.” I suspect darker Asian-Indians, Sri Lankans, Malaysians, etc, have the same problem. Maybe that’s why I befriend people from those places so relatively easily. Maybe that’s what I need to do, then, take my PhD in Computational Physics (in 8-10 years from now) and fly off and get a job somewhere in the “brown” world where I’ll be able to KEEP that job past the time when the administrator SEES me for the first time. At least, as my brother who’s been to Guatemala and Honduras, tells me: no one there will think I “lied” about being Native American since their Tribe tends to have darker skin than mine (Panama, too).
MB
April 6, 2016 at 6:04 am (9 years ago)@Ace…thank you SO much for saying this. I was also born in the US of Jamaican heritage and I often hear the same things being said by my Jamaican family.
I find it so hurtful. I’m not completely sure where this attitude comes from, but I wish it would stop. Many people who come to America from other places need to educate themselves before looking down on African Americans.
We are all in the same damn boat as far as I’m concerned. To a racist, none of us is better than the other so this “divide and conquer” needs to stop!
Nobe Ody
March 7, 2016 at 5:19 am (9 years ago)I am sorry to say, that the indifference the black people from the caribbean feel to wards the black american is founded in the their place in society ..
In the Caribbean, African peoples are the majority of the middle and upper class.
They rule Parliament and Government,
They are the Police and the Army,
They are the public service …
If there is racial prejudice in the Caribbean ,,,
Just wait to see what happens to a White or Chinese or Indian person who shows up in a government office in need of assistance. Or what happens to them at a public hospital…
The people meeting out the racism and benefiting from racial prejudice in the Caribbean is now the African population who are in the majority.
And JUST like the average white American who seems clueless and have no clue what “institutionalized racism” or “white privilege: is. the ones who think : “we have equality now, race is no longer a big issue” ..
Caribbean-African peoples are just as blind ! And they will probably attack me, pretending that this is untrue or false ….
AVRIL JAMES
September 5, 2015 at 1:37 am (9 years ago)Very positive comments from EB. It is time for solutions, not divisions. Love not hate.
And, ensure your children are educated.
caribcanadian
September 4, 2015 at 9:07 pm (9 years ago)Very well said. Thank you.
caribcanadian
July 20, 2015 at 9:42 pm (9 years ago)There are many people who live quite a nice life in the Caribbean. It is not all poverty, by far. Different islands different economy. I would not say that Trinidad or Barbados, to name two, are not mired in poverty. Barbados has one of the highest literacy rates in the Caribbean. I know many people who have done well, if you measure such things in terms of monetary value. But the Caribbean is affected by racism and slavery. Not much has changed really. the Whites, by and large, hold economic power in the Caribbean. They make loads, along with some Black people, while paying low wages. A person raised in the Caribbean will more than likely say as Eve, above, has said. It was not an issue, Everybody got along. No one saw color…although I can’t help see what I see. The whites and lighter skinned people, for the most part, hold the wealth. The system is still skewed that way. Not to say darker skinned people have not prospered, they have. But the system is still skewed. People of the Caribbean have not grown up in a system where they are the supposed minority. They have not been subjugated in the same way…yet, I find, their minds are just as subjugated. When a White man can walk in to a store and by pass the line, and the people lined up actually move out of the way, to get to the counter….That is a subjugated mind. When you will participate with a group of people who were forced to accept you in THEIR club….your mind has been subjugated. When you tell someone that you are excited about the upcoming anniversary of the settlers of an island which brought the enslavement of your forefathers….your mind is subjugated. When you tell me that slavery was a good thing because otherwise we, Black people, would have been suffering a worse fate on the Continent….your mind has been subjugated. When few participate in the anniversary of their forefather’s emancipation…your mind has been subjugated. When you can tell me it was okay to enslave your forefathers because they were illiterate….your mind has been subjugated. When you look down at your fellow African, irregardless of origin, your mind has been subjugated.
Charles
July 24, 2015 at 4:20 pm (9 years ago)Thanks for your response, Caribcanadian. I did not mean to suggest that every island nation is poor or lacking in educational resources – but most clearly are. And so the question is why. I believe your position on subjugation is 100% accurate and am baffled by the claims on this board stating that Caribbean nationals aren’t affected by racism. And so I ask those who make that argument: if it’s true that racism isn’t really much of a factor in Caribbean nations, why aren’t the Black people in those countries better off? Is it merely a coincidence that the socio-economic imbalance in Caribbean nation tends to favor those with lighter skin? How is that not just racism by another name?
Angela Raeburn
August 18, 2015 at 1:51 am (9 years ago)Yes – I thought this article complete drivel pure and simple. I am a Trinidadian and I grew up in Trinidad until we migrated to America and I can say that the Caribbean is full of racism. I reject this authors claim . White people own the Caribbean. Let’s not bull shit each other please. When I was a kid I remember that the only people who had the bank jobs were Trini whites, Bee Wee employees Trini Whites- whites own Trinidad. Followed by other foreigners like Syrians and of course Indians. As long as blacks are quiet then there is no racism problem. Caribbean blacks should know one thing – every right that they enjoy came on the backs of African Americans who fought the fight before our mass migration to their country. I am from he Caribbean but I will never have this opinion because black Americans have endured and survived this horribly unjust system.
islandgal
August 19, 2015 at 12:42 pm (9 years ago)Angela thank you! I lived in Trinidad as a child and Racism was alive and well. My black father tried getting me into Thora Dumbell’s Ballet school and was asked what colour was my complexion and since I was darker than those attending I was not accepted. My neighbours were mixed in Diego Martin and boy did I have a hard time being pushed and pinched because I was black. When I was at their house my so called friend would pull up her shirt and tell me that she was whiter than her brother yet her paternal grand mother was black. My great grandfather came to visit us once because he looked “white” the same friend told me that could never be my grandfather.
dcee
August 23, 2015 at 5:03 pm (9 years ago)I’m a Canadian born black woman whose parents and grandparents were born in Canada (as far back as the late 1800s). Being around other black people, there was a cultural clash at times. In high school, it wasn’t very nice when they’d ask me questions like, what kind of food do you Canadian people eat, you Canadian blacks are loud, crude, drunks, you’re a Canadian black, you have no culture (this happened in college). It was even difficult for me to date black Canadian men b/c I wasn’t from the islands. I used to wonder, if life in the islands was always warm, sun, beaches, oceans, etc. was so exotic and beautiful, why would their parents trade all of that for ice, snow, and extremely cold weather? I just never understood it at all. As well, my parents were smart and very Black cultured – Mom even cooked Caribbean dishes to perfection (she learned when she was young from a man from Barbados). I used to feel kind of left out and isolated b/c I didn’t feel accepted; however, my parents taught me those kids attitudes stemmed back from what they learned at home, At our family functions, it would be straight up R&B, James Brown, and Motown, the only exception was “Hot, Hot, Hot” as the only West Indian song played at our functions.
It used to make me upset that other cultures would automatically assume that b/c I was Black – first question, “no, where are you really from” as if they were looking for me to say my parents were from the islands. My parents first applied for their Canadian passports in the late 80s and the officer was shocked to see my parents were Canadian born – she said she never saw that before.
However, with the love and support from my parents and other relatives, I learned that it was their problem (West Indians). Not all of them act that way; however, it was a trying time for me – I learned in those days that Black did discriminate against one other and they also said part of it was due to jealousy and some of them saw me as a threat. I really liked this black guy, but he rejected me (he’s also canadian born – parents were from the islands), because I didn’t have an island background, that was heartbreaking to hear; however, he got his wish – married now to a fat, dumpy, island woman who doesn’t take care of herself – be careful what you wish for 100%. My ex sis-in-law had that same mentality – thinking she was better than other blacks – who was the immigrant to our country and she’d always find some way to compete w/me for our mother in law’s affections. However, in the interim, my MIL hung around my immediate family on the first day she met them vs. her family, she barely even spoke to them. She felt a good presence with my family – and we were just being ourselves. Now she ended up divorcing her husband (my ex bro in law) and married herself a White man. She was a bit superficial – the whole time I knew her – I never even saw her real hair, always had to sport long braids and/or a weave and hated the fact she was a size 14 vs. me being a size 5 (I gained weight – this was from 12 years ago). However, people can’t make you inferior unless you let them.
Penny
January 8, 2016 at 12:23 am (9 years ago)I’m Canadian First Nations, “Aboriginal,” “Red” Indian, whatever you have to call it to distinguish from “Black” and I STILL always get asked “no where are you from really” or “where before that” or crap like that implying that I must be lying about being Indian and not “black” especially in Canada. They either treat me like “African American” or “from the West Indies” no matter what the hell I do. I was born in Canada but raised in the States mostly (hence the “American” part when they see my resume with all these US universities on it: M.I.T., Yale, UC Hastings College of the Law, New York Science Teaching Fellows, etc). The last time I went back to Canada I got treated like a “foreigner from overseas” and called a fraud, an impostor and a liar not exactly TO my face but the person at the Social Insurance Office got on the phone with her supervisor and said all that in French assuming that I “looked too stupid” to understand French. Oh yeah, Canada sucks.
Charles
July 20, 2015 at 9:08 pm (9 years ago)Serious questions for the Caribbean folks: Why are most Caribbean nations so devoid of economic and educational opportunity? What is it that keeps Caribbean countries mired in poverty when literally billions of tourism dollars flow into your economy every year, you have democratically elected governments and you are (relatively) unaffected by racism/slavery? Help me understand.
Iman
October 10, 2015 at 12:11 pm (9 years ago)1. Racism is alive and well in the Caribbean.
2. The Caribbean economy was built on slavery and all the proceeds shipped back to Europe, hence why Europe is so rich today.
3. All systems in the Caribbean are new, being that the islands won their independence less than 50 years ago, therefore will not be as honed as in established nations.
4. There are no natural resources to exploit.
5. I would not say they are mired in poverty either, being that no one starves, most people live a good quality of life and the only homeless people are generally drug takers.
6. Caribbean nations have not been recompensed for al the labor that has funded European wealth for hundreds of years, and in fact, have had to pay compensation to their former slave masters.
7. Where did you get the idea that the Caribbean has no educational opportunities?
8. Small island nations with low populations face unique challenges such as the expense of importation etc.
9. GDPs are affected by agriculture, in that people who grow their own food do not have to make the money to buy food therefore their income is lower.
10. Slaverys shadow still falls over the Caribbean and it is the colonial powers’ responsibility to apologise for their savagery and pay out.
Charles
October 22, 2015 at 10:28 pm (9 years ago)Iman: thanks for your comment. I agree with nearly all of your points. My question was directed at the many commenters on this board who assert that racism either (a) doesn’t exist in the Caribbean; or (b) has a negligible effect on its people. You reinforce my point and confirm the flawed premise of this article: OF COURSE racism exists in the Caribbean. OF COURSE Caribbean nations have been and continue to be drastically affected by imperialism, racism, colorism, slavery, etc. and those who claim otherwise are delusional. The history of racist/imperialist policies continues to impact Caribbean nations to this day yet the title of this article is “Racism – Caribbeans Just Don’t Get It.” To borrow a phrase: that’s complete bollocks.
Real
October 16, 2015 at 12:06 pm (9 years ago)The fact they too busy boot lickin buck dancing shucking and jiving…saying yessuh massah to the cracka
Eve
July 20, 2015 at 4:36 pm (9 years ago)I thoroughly enjoyed reading this piece. Growing up in Jamaica, I went to school with people from every race but the difference of our divide was mainly socio-economic. Not to say there was not racism, but skin color or ethnicity was never the most important topic of the day. This was a great read, and rings true to so many of my experiences since I have lived in America, and I have to add that most of the blatant acts of racism I have experienced are perpetuated by African Americans. YES, I said it! I see no implied superiorism in this either, we simply are of different upbringings. It is not a comparison, and gave no reason for offense, unless, as the Aidan said, “you go searching for it…”
My take on it, I will not be defined by the color of my skin, and will never allow anyone to make me feel inferior. I keep the Jamaican National Motto, “Out of Man, One People” close to my heart irrespective of who it may offend.
We island girls
July 19, 2015 at 1:46 pm (9 years ago)The difference between “blacks” in America and the Caribbean is that Anerican blacks have been socialized to a slave or inferior mentality due to Jim Crow. Jim Crow created a culture of fear and distrust; whereas, Caribbean people who were also subject to slavery did not endure post slavery Jim Crow laws, tactics or climate. In my opinion, making it easier for them to move on from slavery even though they have not forgotten. African-Americans are still closely tied to the past because of continued discriminatory practices.
Iman
October 10, 2015 at 12:13 pm (9 years ago)Beautifully put
Da Drum
October 31, 2015 at 2:09 pm (9 years ago)Actually not beautifully put, the reality is Jim Crow Laws ended with a series of legislation like Brown vs Board in 54, and Civil Rights Acts of 1964/5. This also is around the same time most of the Caribbean countries (except for Haiti) gained their independence. Some still aren’t technically independent. So They have lived in a slavery, or otherwise discriminatory environment just as long. However; There is a real difference between Blacks in America, and Immigrant Blacks in America. It isn’t just Caribbean, Africans who come here see and say the same thing. Many of these African Countries also didn’t gain their independence until the 50s and 60s, but yet, they often do better when then get here than African Americans. Try this. Look at the roster of the Black Medical Students. You will see it is dominated by Ghanaians and Nigerians, followed by various carribean Blacks and then African Americans. That right there is shocking!! and that right there should tell you. There is a real problem.
In most instances, the African American is more wealthy than the families of the immigrants. As someone who is older and have seen how things are. I will also say, 2nd generation Carribean folks for example, who are born and raised here, tends to no longer have that same drive their immigrant parents or newly arrived immigrant children have. So again, African Americans are Wealthier and with vastly more opportunities than caribs and Africans, but vastly lower drive, and lower results per person than the immigrants. That suggest yes, there IS a very real issue with living here, that is stifling their opportunities. This author suggest to move forward and stop looking back at things that have occured 150 or more years ago. Other here suggest otherwise. Movements need a leader, they need direction. You can’t have one group suggesting one thing, and other suggesting another, because people will be divided and nothing gets achieved.
For example, I’ve heard these European and Americans need to pay up for slavery. Um… That’s Never going to happen. Get over it. With right wing groups in various house, senate, parliament. With Balancing Budgets more and more difficult. With Large Entitlement programs in Each country. Shelling out Billions of Dollars for past wrong doings 1/2/3/4/500 years ago isn’t going to happen. So why Cling to things that wont occur??
I personally am more in line though not completely with the author. My suggestion is 1. Educate Yourself and Promote people who are educated. So that smart kid who is acing it in class, yeah, that kid will be a G, and he will be a doctor, lawyer, politician or whatever in the future. He should be Prom King over that dumb person who is barely elligible to play football, but you know won’t go anywhere once high school is over. 2. Eliminate negative influences from your surrounding. So that Friend who is not doing anything, probably shouldn’t be your friend. That show on TV that is dumb and ignorant, don’t watch it. That rapper or musician that only talks about how good he is in bed, or how big her butt is, or how much fun they have at clubs.. um no need to listen to that. 3. Don’t do Drugs. We already Know we are arrested, harrassed at a higher frequency and given harsher sentences. We know that. The system has already given you the playbook, the rules, so knowing that, why would I then smoke weed, or do other drugs??? That is just DUMB!!! That is setting yourself for disaster. 5. Don’t commit crimes, especially violent onces. Again, we know the system is against you. So, if you choose to do something despite knowing this, and are then locked up forever, that is simply Natural Selection at work. 6. Get yourself Educated. I hear this a lot. The school i go to sucks. Listen, I grew up without a computer, without internet. I took myself to the library. I used my school’s library. I used to read the world book of encyclopedia. I used to read about planets, snakes, whales, geography and other stuff. Now, as someone who is months away from being a doctor. There are times I’m not sure of a disease, guess what I do. I look it up. My phone has access to google, my home computer does as well. I’ve seen classmates barely look at class notes and use youtube notes where people in medical school teach the coagulation cascade, or compliment system or other topics. The internet can literally teach you anything and EVERYTHING. I’ve known how to build, fix computers hardware and software without ever taking a single class. USE THE INTERNET. It is the Great Equalizer!!! Graduate high school, graduate college, preferably, but I may be bias, in a STEM program. People who graduate from STEM programs, regardless of race, have a Very very low unemployment rate. Aim as high as you can, so aim for doctorates, followed by Masters, and definitely bachelors.
There are many more, but I’m getting tired. But what I want to get across is this. The United States is set up so that If you want to become successful as an individual you can. It is much harder to get an entire race or community to get ahead, because there are different mindsets, different goals, different motivations of the many people. But as an individual, if you say, hey I want to be a doctor or want to get a doctoral degree, you can do it. It will be hard, but you can do it.
Caroline Agler
January 30, 2019 at 8:44 am (6 years ago)I just ran across this blog posting, and am fascinated by all the responses. Da Drum, you have hit the nail on the proverbial head in your comment above. Many blessings to you and to those that follow your line of thinking/attitude.
Patrick Traille
July 19, 2015 at 1:43 pm (9 years ago)Immigrants don’t get it. Their history is quite different from African Americans. After Emancipation, reconstruction only lasted 10 years and African American advancement was so great that Jim Crow was introduced. That lasted for 100 years. Then came the civil rights act and the anti poverty programs and affirmative action. The anti poverty programs destroyed the black family while through affirmative action blacks owned businesses and sent their kids to Ivy League schools. Affirmative action lasted only 20 years then it was dismantled by Reagan and then by Bush 2. The war on drugs picked up the displaced pieces (black men) and locked them away so you have a generation growing up with their dads in prison. That is the African American experience and people of the Caribbean and Africa just don’t get it. If they find it hard to move on there is a reason. You are trying to swim with an anchor to your leg for so long that even if it is off you can’t believe it and if you do you expect it to be put back at any moment. Black people from Africa, the Caribbean or America are no different except in their historical experiences. So for one who had the good fortune to grow up in the Caribbean and enable you to better navigate the social network in America, how do you treat your African American brothers and sisters? Ethnocentrism is not much different from racism, so are you going to help to lift up your brothers and sisters or are you going to further isolate them socially.
Warren Evans
July 18, 2015 at 12:15 pm (9 years ago)I grew up in a time in the Caribbean where a simple job as a bank teller was for White only. Living right next door to the Texaco refinery in Point a Pierre, Trinidad I saw and experience racism first hand. White folks were given the cream of every thing. They had better houses, cars and every thing that could make life comfortable for them. By chance my folks came to America in 1970 and the experience was not much better for two young kids, my brother and I. There was some good that happened ton us though, my brother and I excelled in academia and both of us have multiple degrees and for that we are thankful. But to say that Caribbean folks does not know discrimination is false.
Shawn Thomas
July 18, 2015 at 10:48 am (9 years ago)@Cads Hit dogs will holler! I never said African Americans were better, you said this. You still want to use the “poor” argument when referring to Carribean Nationals but for whatever reason. ..poor African Americans can’t use the fact that we just were released from systematic oppression just 1.5 generations ago. In your statement, you are still ASSUMING that AA are uneducated which is so far from the truth. I have 3 degrees with the last one being all but dissertation for a doctorate. African American females are enrolled in college at a higher rate than ANY female group in the USA. You need to stop watching TV and forming assumptions about a group. Hell, if I believed the things I see on TV about Carribeans and Africans I would swear you were all living on SAVE the Children type levels. Also, you need to reread my comment because your comprehension seems off. I mentioned Patois and Creole because Carribeans try to talk about AA using African American Vernacular. Well, if you say Patois and Creole are cultural dialects understand that African American Vernacular is our cultural dialect as well. We built a way out of NO WAY in America. We built churches, universities, banks, insurance companies, etc…when they wouldn’t allow us access…these facilities still stand today as a testament of who we are. AS STATED, WE ARE THE MOST RECOGNIZED, IMITATED, TALKED ABOUT, HATED, AND RESPECTED GROUP OF BLACKS ON THE PLANET. I am so proud to be African American. I think it’s the BEST thing since sliced bread.
MB
January 6, 2016 at 7:10 pm (9 years ago)@Shawn Thomas, I am of Jamaican heritage (born in the US) and I agree with you. It makes me sad how people look down on Black Americans and stereotype ALL of them as being bad.
My own Caribbean people often make derogatory statements about AA’s and it hurts, because it shows ignorance. There is so much internalized racism.
I had a relative say to me recently that Caribbean immigrants are better than AA’s because we work harder. I shut that nonsense down immediately because I know PLENTY of hard-working African Americans.
There is so much beauty in Black American culture, but some people refuse to see that. They would rather focus on the bad apples because of their limited views.
I look at the Harlem Renaissance with its rich history…the myriad of African American singers/artists like Nat King Cole, Ella Fitzgerald, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, and so many more…the wonderful contributions AA’s have made to society. And I find it sad that people ignore the positive to stereotype ALL American-born blacks as being thugs, baby mamas, welfare recipients, etc.
I wish there could be more unity but that will probably never happen.
caribcanadian
July 17, 2015 at 2:26 pm (9 years ago)I am of Caribbean descent. My parents left the Caribbean for Canada in the late 1950’s. I am in my 50’s and they never taught me anything about my Caribbean history. They were not taught about their history in the Caribbean and for the most part, I don’t think, on a real level, wanted to know. Knowing would definitely shake things up. Black people in the Caribbean are in a majority position, numbers wise. They are not yet in a majority position in terms of true control of the Caribbean. It’s easier to live in a society that is mostly like you having very little real contact with the White or other minority. Yeah, the two peoples (Black and White and other) socialize but there comes a point where a separation occurs. Each going their own way. Not always, as I have both peoples: African and Caucasian in my fairly recent background.That is exactly how the Caribbean has progressed. The people of the Caribbean have not been surrounded and terrorized, in the same manner, for centuries. Terrorized TO THIS DAY in North America, not just the U.S., and Europe. The murders, unequal incarceration of non whites, general institutional racism, all over this world including the Caribbean, is real. We are not imagining it. The Caribbean has the same problems. It just manifests itself differently. As I type, I am in my ancestral Caribbean country, and the hotel across the street is managed by a racist. It is known. Guess what? Not one person will do anything about it. Another example, there is a Club that historical discriminated against the Black population. You could not be a part of their group. Of course, there would be few Black people attending functions at their physical location. I believe a law was enacted to ban the segregation. This is a recent thing in history. Do you know Black people will go there to attend their events? I was invited to go and pointed out that this is a racist place and I will never support anything this group has to offer or step foot on their property. The person, Black and a family member, who issued the invitation…said yeah…it is a racist organization still…BUT…They let you come in….so you actually go…Really!!!!!!
But what? Why would you go there? So you see, the Caribbean people have internalized the racism. They don’t see it even though it is there in plain sight. In high school, my cousin’s daughter said they had to chose a group. Grouping is based on color really. We know the Caribbean, among other locations, has colorism. I have been at family events where a cousin referred to being a n—. And no one reacted. I could give you many experiences such as these. So the author is not truly aware and honest about the Caribbean. I am a very fair skin Black woman…..my color and features…in the Caribbean TODAY…will afford me more opportunity, This is true and still happens. I abhor the divisions that have been created in our minds re each other regardless of our origin. The planners win every time we create and maintain the division. mental slavery is alive and well and doing the job that it was intended to do: keep us divided. We now carry the torch and continue the job of fanning the flames. We’ve embraced the war tactics.
People who grew up in a place where the majority of the people are like them and have not had to fight the same fight as those born and raised in a opposite demographic, will naturally have different experiences. But you can sure that when the people of these majority Black countries move to North America and Europe and other countries, they learn real fast about the reality. None of the above precludes success in either environment. So many have, are and will continue to succeed. I am not referring to money but positive living. However, many will die trying to live an equal life in inherently unequal societies.
Yvonne Dean
July 18, 2015 at 5:43 am (9 years ago)Caribcanadian………….well said
Angela Raeburn
August 18, 2015 at 1:59 am (9 years ago)Excellent CaribCanadian.
Lynn
July 15, 2015 at 4:32 pm (9 years ago)Now that Dylan Roof has blown away nine parishioners, within the confines of what was supposed to be a safe haven, and the police took him into captivity to usher him to Burger King; now that seven churches have burned in six days do you see how invalid your article is. It is insulting to reduce the daily display of racism in this country to petty incidents where bread is not distributed to every table in a restaurant although I recently had that experience. (The fact that you cite it in your article validates even the most trivial slight that we experience). The reason why Caribbean immigrants don’t get it is because they have arrived during the harvest. Although the work is no where near done, the constant bloodshed, marching and fighting in this country has afforded you the privilege of being ignorant to the reality of people who look like you but whose slave ship docked here. It is insulting that our reality is one you feel we should get over ; the exact sentiments of the people who enslaved us and the sentiments of many of their offspring. As twisted as it is, your reasons for wanting us to get over our experience differ. White America wants us to get over it so that they don’t have to deal with their transgressions or the guilt that comes with it, provided there is a conscience attached to the people in question. They also don’t want to have to deal with the idea of reparations to a group they have raped and killed for centuries. Your reason (author) for wanting us to get over it is so you can live in peace and acquire all the bounty you have been told you can obtain in the “land of opportunity” and you feel NO reason to empathize with or even show gratitude to the group of people who died for you have the opportunity. As an immigrant had our ancestors not fought and died you would have migrated to the land of slavery and Jim Crow.
By the way if racism didn’t exist in the caribbean and color doesn’t matter why is the Dominican Republic being so kind and hospitable to its Haitian residents?!!!
Patrick Traille
July 19, 2015 at 1:54 pm (9 years ago)Lynn; you are absolutely spot on. I am from the Caribbean and I’ve seen over the years so much written about how Caribbean or African immigrants outperform native-born African Americans. It doesn’t need studies or statistics because they are going to show that it is what it is. Studies are published without explanation of how we get there and why we can’t move forward. But my point is, same people different experiences different outcome. If you can’t see the reason for the different outcome, it means you are ignorant of some facts, go learn some history and help to move your people forward rather than justify your choice to leave them behind.
Angela Raeburn
August 18, 2015 at 2:15 am (9 years ago)Lynn Spot on. I am from the Caribbean. My dad told me in the first day we arrived in this country this: we are black just like Americans. Do not allow the whites to bull shit you into thinking that we are better because we are reaping what they have sowed.
MB
January 6, 2016 at 7:25 pm (9 years ago)Thank you, Lynn! Amen! Not all of us with Caribbean heritage share the sentiments of those who put down AA’s as a whole. Marcus Garvey was one Jamaican dude who stood in solidarity with African Americans…he viewed them as brothers and sisters, and he did NOT have this attitude that a different culture made him better.
I come from a very mixed Jamaican family and I’m very light-skinned, to the point where most people assume I could be white or something else.
And yes, some Black Americans have disliked me based on my appearance. But at the end of the day, we should be more unified. A lot of Caribbean people are blind to what is right in front of them…the fact that racists see us all as the “N” word. A racist doesn’t care if you are Jamaican, Trinidadian, Dominican. They might hear a different accent from what an African-American might have, but if you have any type of black features, that is what you are to them.
So I believe that many Caribbean folks know this, but the truth is too much to handle. It is easier for some people to live in denial and to separate themselves from reality.
Penny
January 8, 2016 at 12:37 am (9 years ago)Even American Indians and Latinos, if dark-skinned enough, are “black” to the racists here. I correct people when they call me “black” and then get told, “oh you’re PART Indian…” as if they either didn’t hear me or are outright calling me a liar. I even get called “mixed” as some kind of COMPROMISE. Still calling me a liar, of course. I’ve even tried living ON the reservation where an Indian is supposed to be an Indian no matter what skin pigmentation, and still got asked if I was “born in Africa.” I wish I could sue underage minors for that. Nice thing about the USA is that the laws enacted in 1967 with regards to racial discrimination leave open to interpretation this thing we call “misperception discrimination.” Getting treated, on the job or in a professional setting, like a race you’re not and in a bad way, has been against the law in the US since 1967. But most people don’t do anything about it here. And if you do, you’re considered a “troublemaker.”
Samora
July 15, 2015 at 1:35 pm (9 years ago)I’ve read the article and quite a few of the comments here. I really do understand where the author is coming from and can appreciate sentiments of the comments that disagree. The author tried to be diplomatic but I’m a bit less… tactful?
Those of you reiterating the fact that racism, institutionalized racism, pervaded black America’s history more than it did with our Caribbean history are correct. Those of you highlighting the fact that we grew up in predominantly black societies and therefore cannot realistically empathize with black Americans that have been under the white man’s thumb are also correct. Those of you reminding us that here in the Caribbean racism does exist in the form of “the lighter you are, the better you are” are also correct.
And perhaps the author didn’t address all of the “facts” in the article but that was not the point of the article in my opinion. The point of the article was that despite the terrible past that black Americans have had to endure, they are primarily responsible for pissing away their future. I do believe them when they say that opportunities are harder to gain access to than it is for white Americans, and even other races but guess what – the opportunities you DO have access to are much more than we have access to in the Caribbean.
No one is asking you to ignore your past. No one is asking you to be naive and be oblivious to the fact that racism still exists. What you should do is to not let your own decisions and mindset be the barrier for moving forward. You may not be able to control the acts of the “white man wanting to hold you back” but you do have control of what YOU think. How YOU act. The decisions that YOU make. And that’s what the author is trying to say. We Caribbean people have all of the ism’s, and it does factor in to our concerns, but it is not our PRIMARY concern. Then again, keep acting the way you do. The less of you going to universities through scholarships available to you just because you’re black, means that more of us Caribbean people get opportunities to take advantage of them and rise. Keep glorifying your Jesse Jacksons and your Farakhans and you lil’ Waynes and your Jay-Z’s and your ebonics and your 50 cents and your thugs. We’ll continue to not let racism bother us so much and thrive!
SHAWN THOMAS
July 15, 2015 at 10:00 pm (9 years ago)You made sense until the end when you decided to “shade” Black Americans. This is what gets me…people emigrate to America and forget that the cream ALWAYS rises to the top. When you come here…you see our collective group…the poor, middle class, and rich…so, you see the good and bad…what did you leave behind in the Carribean? Most of those islands are third world countries with extreme poverty. It is not like your ethnic groups are excelling at a higher rate than African Americans you are the cream and you rose to the top…same same when African Americans are expatriates to other countries. Ebonics? What is patois and creole? African Americans have most if the high profile Blacks that are recognized worldwide and it is not just for “rap.” We helped make America America and for that I am very proud.
Yvonne Dean
July 18, 2015 at 5:55 am (9 years ago)Well, said Shawn Thomas…….Aidan Neal reveal yourself you are not a black person and the black Caribbean know very well there is racism there in the Caribbean. The slave ship stop their as well . Black Caribbean need to pick up the book on Marcus Garvey a black Caribbean who experience the racism there . Besides that most blacks in the Caribbean if any own nothing in their country; the British rules and they’re the most racist of them all
Cads
July 18, 2015 at 9:40 am (9 years ago)Shawn thomas…that’s why caribbean nationals migrate to the US to reap the benefit’s not afforded to us in the Caribbean cause we are poor. As you speak you make it sound like AA are better than Caribbean nationals. Well you all have access to the better things in life than us in the caribbean. And what I don’t understand is why some AA fail to do better with this privilege. There is this lady who now holds a doctorate from an american university. She left jamaica with 20 dollars in her name and she suffered and reaped the benefit of what america had to offer. So if she can do so and shes from this poor 3Rd world country ( our poor is poorer than your poor) then AA have no excuse for not being able to access higher education. As a matter of fact this access that you have encourage your brothers to use it and do better so that they can be better able to fight against the system. The problem is people lay down arms and are not fighting. idk why you made reference to patois and creole. What point are you making? It’s our cultural language. How we communicated. And yvonne idk where u got tha statistics from buy where I am from alot of our black people own their own businesses. So that is utter crap you speak. Remember when slavery ended unlike America and Europe majority of the whites packed up and went elsewhere so us blacks in the Caribbean got the chance to strive. What they left was the remnant of racism which we refer to as colours – light vs dark. Overall from what I’m getting AA seem to act as though they are better than caribbean nationals because they are living in a 1st world country. Well u have better facilities but it doesn’t make you better than anyone. However I must agree you have struggles because of the whole system of racism and no caribbean national have the right to say you should turn a blind eye to racism, cause though I don’t think about it whenever I visit the states, I somehow become very concious and a bit paranoid because of what the media portrays. Caribbean nationals are more aware of what happens in America as oppose to what Americans know of the Caribbean because of the influence of cable tv etc. Most Americans wIL know nothing of the caribbean unless they visit or are told by a national. So yvonne unless you came here and did a survey, your point in invalid.
Penny
January 8, 2016 at 12:46 am (9 years ago)Well, it sure as hell isn’t for Math, Science, Engineering, Computers or Law. In those fields it seems the world still thinks that intelligence is a factor of the melanin in your skin pigmentation! I’m forever getting turned down for jobs in my fields once they SEE me and act like they think I can’t do the job after all – even if everything sounded good on the phone and they were nothing but enthusiastic to meet me after the telephone interview. I need to get my PhD in Mathematical Computational Biophysics in some country where it’s FREE so that I don’t waste any more money paying for “useless” degrees – ones I won’t be able to get a job in once the colour of my skin is seen. What the hell is up with that?! – Colourism, of course. My lighter skinned brother who “passes for Mexican,” who is as dumb as a doornail, and has juvenile criminal records on top of that, nevertheless has a better work history with way less of a college education (I think he just recently finished his Associates’ degree and I’ve had a Law degree since 2000.). I have to be at the PhD level before people will stop going “can you even DO Maths” or other crap like that when they see me. (And this is on MATH teacher jobs, mind you.)
Charles Houston
July 16, 2015 at 9:58 pm (9 years ago)Samora, your remarks are tactless, inflammatory and wrong. I’m going to try to stick to the moral high ground here and avoid responding to your attack with one of my own. Instead I will simply note that you have no idea what you’re talking about if you honestly believe that Black Americans are “primarily responsible for pissing away their future.” Dig a little deeper than the rappers or charlatans you see on TV and look for the hard-working family men and women who toil away in offices and factories to provide for their families and lift them out of a history of disadvantage. Talk to some socially conscious, highly educated Black Americans who are busy professionals but give their time and their money to uplift their brothers and sisters and serve as role models for their communities (nice to meet you, BTW). Try appreciating the legacy of survival, perseverance and accomplishment despite long odds created by lack of access to education, the vote, equal pay, adequate housing or an unbiased judicial system. Most of all, show some respect to the Black Americans who risked everything to desegregate the universities you reference above so that we (my tribe and yours) could seek higher education. And don’t worry – the dogs, fire hoses and batons are gone so it’s safe for your people now. Think critically about the images you’re being shown, ask yourself how they shape your views and then consider whether those images are part of an agenda. Or do none of the above and just continue to take the intellectual shortcuts you seem to enjoy so much. I’m glad racism doesn’t bother you as you thrive in your island utopia. Maybe you’d like to come spend some time in Mississippi, or Georgia or South Carolina or Missouri or Louisiana. I’m sure that after being welcomed by some of the Confederate-flag waving locals you’d find that Black Americans are making way too much of this race thing.
Angela Raeburn
August 19, 2015 at 1:43 am (9 years ago)Charles Houston – well said. I am from the Caribbean and I know this article is a complete piece of stupidity. You are correct! You see in many Caribbean islands – we don’t even have our own TV. Since the arrival of cable – all we see is what you all see in the US. So the news, the tv shows – ALL American. Caribbean people see the land of milk and honey but they refuse to see how that came about – upon whose back did this nation thrive. I am sad to read that we still carry this message. I can tell you – I have multiple degrees, went to an HBCU and I am fully aware that all that I have accomplished came on the backs of black Americans who are my ancestors as the boats all came form the same place. Sorry article full of shit. Regarding the comment by Samora – I wonder if she really believes that JayZ’s wealth came form blacks only. More white kids listen to JayZ than anyone else.
Charles Houston
July 14, 2015 at 11:17 pm (9 years ago)I think it’s great that this thread is still going. I disagree with almost everything in the original article but have learned a great deal from the comments. The problem with many of the comments is the familiar “us vs. them” paradigm that serves only to divide. Let’s start by acknowledging that Black Americans and Caribbean immigrants share a common ancestry and skin color. Let’s agree that there are cultural differences borne of the different histories of the two groups. And let’s all say with one voice that neither group is better than the other. There is no shortage of smugness from many of the Caribbean posters on this board, and so the defensive response from Black Americans is largely understandable. As a Black American I ask my Caribbean brothers and sisters to both recognize and respect the path that was created and the sacrifices that were made for you in this country by Black Americans. You can vote, own property, attend schools and live anywhere you want in the U.S. because these rights were earned by Black Americans who were conscious of race. They sacrificed, struggled and bled for the rights that we all enjoy today. And while Aidan would probably argue that this was a long time ago, Eric Garner, Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, Freddy Gray, and the Charleston church shooting victims all died very recently – in large part or even solely because of the color of their skin. Stop saying that slavery was a long time ago and instead ask yourself when (and how) Black people began receiving equal treatment under the law (at least in theory) in the U.S. Ask yourself whether racism and discrimination still happen in American society and consider whether your brown-skinned children will be exempt from such treatment in the U.S. Stop seeing this from an “us vs. them” perspective and recognize that we’re all in this together. I respectfully disagree with Shantele about the importance of straws in the drinks – who cares? But I do agree that a certain amount of vigilance is always appropriate as we go about trying to better educate ourselves and succeed in a society that is inherently racist. And if you think for one minute that it’s not, I urge you to spend the day watching Fox News. God bless.
Kwame Baptiste
July 14, 2015 at 10:20 am (9 years ago)I do feel this article is in some what of a egg vs chicken scenario. Chickens come from eggs there fore eggs come from chickens. I dont think you have pointed out or tried to empathize with African Americans. I had similar views when I first came here, thinking Black People hold themselves back. but the more you look and listen, the more you realize its far more ingrained in society.
I did come to America from the Caribbean but my experience back home was informed by race. One never notices the remnants of colonialism in the Caribbean where those of the higher complexions seem to have all the money or how people tend to loath darker skin and seek to marry girls with fair features and good hair.
However, the real reason we see a difference in how African Americans is that we in the Caribbean understand from birth that we have the potential to do anything. we were raised to understand that we can be doctors , lawyers or even president for many decades now. We see people who look like us in every facet of life, and we can live anywhere on the island once you can afford to live in certain areas. there are people of every race who have money, although its less dark the richer you go. Education is seen as a way up and out of poverty and is lauded in our communities.
However, In american, Black Americans have been relegated to poor neighborhoods where all you see is crime and poverty and have been conditioned by their surroundings and their media to think they are second class citizens. Even those who seek education are even ridiculed by teachers for wanting more that menial jobs. And those who make it leave their communities and seek to surround themselves with wealth, and to somehow erase their Blackness, and raise above their former community. However in the Caribbean, even wealthy people celebrate their culture regardless of where they live.
I was shocked when I came to visit family in the US. many of whom dont leave Brooklyn at all, or dont go to Manhattan cause they dont see a reason too. Like its place not for them. Thats because everywhere they go they get abused by the cops or picked on and followed around stores. Every where they go they get reminded that they dont belong. Much of it is how they were raised, but much of it is not their fault. Parent work too many hours and cant hover over them to make sure they are good kids. communties are fractured by crime, so neighbors fear each other. All the kids act the same way, wear the same styles. but white kids get to act the same way and nothing… but Black Kids are labelled criminals. and you know what they say, call someone something enough times, , they become what you expect of them.
Then i had to realize that growing up in a project is a different world with different rules and unless you know another way of living, you can easily be trapped in that world. Education is for the privileged few who can just go to school, and just focus on that, but living in the hood is full time job. But one thing is for certain, there is little positive energy there, and little good motivation to do anything positive.
So live a mile in their shoes before you think you know it all. and you may be right that African americans are part of the problem, but if you have been living as an abused child, its easy to be fearful of abuse.
shantele
July 14, 2015 at 3:58 pm (9 years ago)I would like to point out that all your points are made by many other minorities in america but in fact you all have rascim in your countries you all just ignore i think the haitian being deported in the dominicans would disprove your point of passive acceptance and willful ignorance. You resemble many whites telling us to ignore our intuitions and sit back and accept things and you also sound as though you believe carribeans to be smarter then blacks. As a mixed race person in america i can tell you it matters because passivity may work out fine for a few of you but to be apart of a community defying ur perscribed spot in a whole you must speak out for all of you till you re heard. We point out a straw because it beings there and if you don’t fight it only grows. Just as a bus system could be the begining of the end of jim crow. We have black women CEO’S not because we sit passively in naivete but because we speak out and we will not be satisfied if only some of us succeed but only if all of us live in peaceful environments. And these success stories of blacks in america you can ignore and only focus on your immediate surroundings and black friends, but they are more plentiful then success tales of carribean women who sit ignore and accept in america. So you may be fine with what you have and that is great. And you are right success is built on liking yourself and being happy but it also built on fighting for more and not being satisfied with being just fine but being satisfied with achieving your all. I dont know you and maybe you have done just that but do not tell a whole group of people to be satisfied when they know more can be accomplished and created in their lives to be appreciated, because then you are simply supporting the system telling them to be satisfied with their leavings. As a carribean you may not know all that blacks have done for the progression of america because our books don’t write about it but blacks do and we know we deserve more so dont fault us for saying we do.
michelletoussaint
July 13, 2015 at 5:21 pm (9 years ago)Great article, a very good way of explaining the Caribbean perspective on being black. It’s not just immigrants, even on social media when we interact the difference in perspective is glaring, and Americans don’t seem to understand that we just don’t have that cultural bias levied against us. Even when we experience it here, from tourists mainly, it isn’t that it’s not offensive, it’s just not the norm, so it’s easy to get over and get past.
Kela
July 13, 2015 at 5:12 pm (9 years ago)Jamaica isn’t the only country in the Caribbean you know….and all experiences on our respective countries vary based on the size of the island and population and stuff like that. We also don’t live on beaches and drink from coconuts and our house don’t look like small huts. We have hundreds of colleges in the Caribbean and each island has atleast 1 of their own. We do have medical schools. My island alone has 2. And as much as you may think we don’t experience the racism thing, we do. It’s just not as bad depending on where you are. Caribbean are really just more carefree I guess but I totally agree with this article.
Timothy Neufville
July 12, 2015 at 4:06 am (9 years ago)A very well written article however, a very naive perspective.This is America the most racist country in the world.Immigrants black and of colour arrive here in America to see the American way.The American blacks can never overlook racism or back burn it because, it is not allowed.The fact of the matter is,when applying for a position in the workplace if you are a perfectly qualified black or person of colour and an under qualified white person applies for that same position,that under qualified white person will in fact be offered the position.I am certain that every black person in America would love nothing more than to see racial hatred totally removed from the society.To say blacks in America are constantly in search of acts of racism is a false statement.In America, being black doesn’t require you to go in search of racial hatred.You see my dear,the moment you set foot outside the confinement of your home,it awaits you with open arms….
Connie Mitchell
July 11, 2015 at 5:52 pm (9 years ago)Well, I hear everyone. Lest some Caribbean nationals seems detached from race, how about this::
I grow up in my earlier yeas in Jamaica. In those days almost every one had to be light skinned to get into an office job – especially a front desk reception job; or a job in one of the prized jobs in our local banks.. The Civil Service was where “dark-skinned” nationals ended up working..
I clearly remember that I went to Gore’s for a secretarial job.; I was advised to appear in person. When I got there, I was astonished when the very light skinned supervisor took one look at me and exclaimed:: “Oh, , I think we need somebody fair.” I was totally crushed. I was young, and I was pretty then and I was not what you would call dark (jet black)..in skin color.
There was race prejudice under the “old” system; and still exists today – only in ‘silent’ form. So many of us in the Caribbean does not want to acknowledge that most Caribbean employees would still prefer to hire light skinned nationals. – and Jamaica is no exception. (Most of the light skinned folks have migrated to the US, Canada and the UK. and hide in the deep suburbs to assimilate with White people of these countries and pretend they are so much like them (the Whites).
It is true that even today, many light-skinned professionals who migrated from various parts of the Caribbean, incl. Jamaica, still feels it is degrading to mix with their darker skinned nationals.
So many Caribbean people of today might call what I am discussing now “color-prejudice” which, in my view, is just another form of racism perpetuated by our own people against us. So my dear Caribbean nationals, please do no pretend as if this is still not in existence in the Caribbean today___ its only that this type of prejudice is manifested today through body language in interacting with our nationals. Its a part of our culture to favor the light over the dark. this will not end.
The only topic that may transcend color is “classism,” We Caribbean people are the epitome of classism. Boy, are we class conscious!!!!!!
Ainsworth
December 15, 2015 at 2:42 pm (9 years ago)You are talking about long ago in Jamaica. I am 65 years old, and I remember as a child, around when we got our independence, seeing mostly light skinned people working in the banks and so on. But that quickly changed. The politicians cater for the black masses, are mostly black themselves. Any racism that still exists is well hidden, to the extent that I have NEVER personally experienced any. Perhaps I don’t move in the circles where it exists. I daresay, there is no African American half my age that has not experienced racism at some time.
Joan
July 11, 2015 at 4:06 pm (9 years ago)Aidan, you are so on point here. That is one of the first things we noticed when moved here. As West Indians we are aware of slavery etc. because it is good to know but I do not see us dwelling on it. I am too grateful for the opportunity to excel here than to worry about the things that belong in the past. We have taught our children to do the same and we are enjoying the fruits of our labor. As we say back home
AVRIL JAMES
July 10, 2015 at 4:34 am (9 years ago)Another great article Aidan. I grew up in Jamaica in the 50’s and 60’s, so I am aware that your
article is absolutely true. i would also like to add that if we look with an open mind at all the countries around the world where Europeans ruled,we will find prejudices, racism, classism and many other forms of subjugation and inequalities remained after their departure,
Melchi
June 4, 2015 at 9:28 pm (10 years ago)I prefer to go along with how I was taught by family, which would be the main thing that matters in this world. We are not “black” or “brown” or “white”. The past is the past. Slavery is over. We must look forward if we are to succeed. With all the benefits of this nation (USA) I am surprised at all the complaints towards the government and “white people”. YOU CONTROL YOUR DESTINY. If you seek excuses about why you do not want to work or go to school, that has to do with YOU. No one in the islands takes a loan or goes on welfare. These things do not exist. You have to put the metal to the pedal, Gretel. Work. I know this is hard for those who want to attend the next riot and see what they can get from the business of someone who actually WORKED to provide services in the community which decided to burn them down, but you must do this. I do not like whining and this “race” argument is fallacious when what you should DO is get off your behind and take whatever job you can get to raise yourself and your family (if you have one). Don’t act like something is so beneath you that you cannot do it. Many here already do act like they can’t be bothered. Caribbean people basically do not have the choice. We would be embarrassed by our own families if we were to act personally irresponsible.
Andre Lettsome
June 15, 2015 at 11:25 pm (10 years ago)I am from the Caribbean and that is a highly uninformed and simplistic statement. Slavery is only one facet of racism. Racism is the expression of an ideology. It is manifested in the encoded laws, norms and mores. When we choose to engage in selective memory of what our history is and how racism is perpetuated we are in danger of having it recreate itself in multiple ways and not recognize it. It is funny that you are here on the brow and sweat of persons who have worked to afford you that opportunity; attending civil rights marches, being hosed down, eaten by dogs and killed. And, now you engage in your ad hominem narrative. It is also funny that you think that you are special and that only you possess that wherewithal to positively effect your destiny. Don’t you think other persons possess that? Could it be that the availability of opportunity renders their reality what it is? Our collective consciousness and memory seem rather narrow. We forget Black South Africans and their struggles for equity in their own country. There they were relegated to second class citizens although being a majority. Just remember Apartheid was overturned only about 20 years ago. A white minority only numbering only a few million were able to subject the majority black population to the same inhumane treatment. And, that was where the blacks were a majority, imagine what happens where they are a minority. Your position wreaks of an unenlightened consciousness. I am going to go now and take my clothes down by the river and pray they get washed. Throwing around empty platitudes has no value. Spend some more time researching the plight of Blacks around the world and then talk from that position. We in the Caribbean have been lucky and a lot of it has to do with the absence of any true resources that are highly sought. Recognize the domination of the African continent and Americas has been about control of resources and the exclusion of the granting of power to other groups. Listen to Bob Marley’s lyrics as a starting point on your journey.
Andre Lettsome
June 16, 2015 at 2:30 am (10 years ago)I want you to take a look at this. And, this is happening right in you back yard in the Caribbean. This is how racism is manifested and perpetuated.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/14/1393198/-Dominican-Republic-to-be-Socially-Cleaned-in-two-days
MB
April 6, 2016 at 5:30 am (9 years ago)@Melchi…it is all very well to make a speech on the Internet about how we all control our destiny and must work for what we want, but you are ignoring the very harsh reality of institutional racism and other issues that keep oppressed people in their “place”. I agree with Andre Lettsome in his reply to you.
Claire Dawn
February 18, 2015 at 3:01 pm (10 years ago)So agree!
I’m a Barbadian. The population is about 95 percent black. So I’d never given much consideration to race until I lived outside the Caribbean. I had one white friend growing up, and she didn’t ever identify as white. It was never a big deal. It is always shocking to think about how different the black minority countries are. I mean, we in Barbados had our first black head of state more than half a century earlier than the US. Things like that mean I have never had to struggle with self-esteem as a black person.
Looking back I think classism and even schoolism were bigger problems in Barbados.
I’d also like to disagree with people you calling you ignorant because you hadn’t thought about the situation in the US. People think about problems relevant to them. I live in Japan, so the decreasing population is constantly on my mind. In a couple of decades, it might be bad enough to cause international issues, but if a random American doesn’t know that, it is not their fault.
Charles Houston
February 16, 2015 at 6:33 pm (10 years ago)Marcelle, the reason I use your name in my comments is so that you’ll know I’m talking to you. Once in this thread I responded to somebody who made an incredibly insulting comparison between Black people and tied dogs. I responded to that person but didn’t use their name, and you mistakenly thought I was talking to you. So that’s why I use your name, Marcelle. This is the last time, though. You have overwhelmed me with your sound reasoning and brilliant writing.
Marcelle Jevon John
February 14, 2015 at 8:16 pm (10 years ago)Ohhh please why would I reply angrily or attack you’re doing that enough for everyone from what I can see. And as for proper syntax and punctuation first did you get my point? Yes. So your point is absolute bollocks and I never once commented on life in the US and Education ,if that’s what you got from my comment then you need to focus less on puntuation and more and comphrehension and leave my name out of the rest of your comments. Go and attack someone else I haven’t got the time nor the will. And as for the plight of Black Americans what are you going on about ? I’m sure I don’t need your explination or otherwise. As for my spelling mistake , ohh gosh geeee! Get over yourself everyone makes mistakes.I repeat I NEVER once downplayed anyones experience so your reference to me is another loads of bollocks.
Michael Smart
February 10, 2015 at 11:33 pm (10 years ago)I agree 100%. Great article and well put. It is a viewpoint many in the US will be hard pressed to understand, due to the persistent, prevalent, preoccupation with race (a social construct with no basis in human biology), It is a legacy which pervades all sectors of US society, perpetuated particularly by the media, which views everything through a racial lens, and which prevent US society from moving on as other cultures have.
Aram
February 9, 2015 at 8:35 pm (10 years ago)Before I say anything I want to qualify that I am Caucasian…not white, but Caucasian…there is a difference. Now if you are still reading, here is my take. Although I agree with the general proposition of the article I think we all have to keep one thing in mind when making this distinction. That is Caribbean and African immigrants, although also victims of slavery and colonialism in their own right, come from societies where they are the majority. This aspect is extremely important in explaining the differences in perception that exist between Caribbeans and African Americans. In addition to the burden of the past/current racial issues, for African Americans there is also an ongoing “burden of a minority”. This burden has nothing to do with race and is experienced by pretty much every minority in any other country. Again, I do not present this is as an excuse for perpetuating self-defeating perceptions, but just as a point that the situation is a bit more complicated than as it is presented. Would love to hear your thoughts?
Aidan Neal
February 9, 2015 at 8:43 pm (10 years ago)Aram, thank you for your thoughts. The post was not intended to diminish the African American experience or to down play the racism experiences of the past or today. It was not intended to deny the validity of those experiences or to pretend the remnants of said injustices do not remain today. The post was a brief recount of the writers valid opinion that in many ways African-Americans can be found perpetuating the us versus them attitude that stunts the growth of progress. Suggesting a change in attitude is not the same as suggesting one ignore the ramifications experiences themselves.
Charles Houston
February 12, 2015 at 11:14 pm (10 years ago)Aram, I enjoyed your comment very much. Ms. Neal, you are not very good at grammar or punctuation or proofreading. Your clumsily stilted language suggests that you are trying to mask a mediocre education. Indeed, you seem to have never met a passive voice you didn’t love and your writing style is best described as “overly caffeinated ninth-grader.” My comment is not intended to call into question your skill as a writer; rather, it is this writers [sic] valid opinion that your writing is substandard and you’d be better off if you had the same level of skill that I do. See what I did there? Think about it.
Marcelle Jevon John
February 4, 2015 at 10:54 pm (10 years ago)Have you lived in the Caribbean ? I think NOT so to speak of something you know nothing of is to prove how ignorant YOU can be. The article is about experiences experienced by black people from other countries when they move to America not about how many black owned businesses YOU think there aren’t. I have family members who own their own businesses be a bar or a restaurant but they own it and guess what?! Would you believe it they are BLACK and most of them are rastafarians wearing their natural hair in its natural state and as for the NIGGUH word the only time you’ll hear it is when uneducated little punks of the younger age wanna pretend their gangsters on the corner. The difference between home and other places is that back home you can play gangsta on the corner with your friends if you like but Caribbean mothers don’t mess about. How is an experience that differs from the one the Black Americans ecperienced skde stepping this so called “Obligation” I have ? being black isn’t a bloody job! And why should I have to see colour in order to fit in or in other to make other make Black Americans happy ? The article is a about an EXPERIENCE experienced by some maybe even moat but not all. And another thing we have got “WHITE PEOPLE” in the Caribbean but we choose to call them People no emphasis needed on their colour!
RP
February 4, 2015 at 11:27 pm (10 years ago)Everyone has a right to their experience. Everyone does not have the right to attempt to invalidate or trivialize the experiences of others. People have taken offense to this article because it doesn’t just offer one’s own experience but attempts to present suggestions without stating the obvious differences between living/growing up in the Caribbean and living/growing up in the US and the historical differences between the Caribbean and the US. It’s not about those from the Caribbean not seeing color and those in the US seeing color being the problem. Our experiences are different and we need to recognize that and seek to understand each other rather than bash each other. Until we seek to understand each other, this discourse will just be unproductive.
Charles Houston
February 13, 2015 at 8:39 pm (10 years ago)Marcelle, why would you call somebody “ignorant” for writing about their perception of the Caribbean? If it’s because they don’t live in the Caribbean, please tell me what makes you qualified to speak about racial experiences in the United States. Your previous comments make it clear you don’t reside in the US so aren’t you being hypocritical?
Marcelle Jevon John
February 13, 2015 at 10:42 pm (10 years ago)Because its ignorant speaking about Caribbean people if you don’t know anything about things you no nothing of. My opinions stem from talking to your fellow Black Americans its not just me talking out of my arse and as for that comment Black Americans ( some ) can’t seem to take that this article stems from experience and not just from her imagination , so the comment about hardly finding Caribbean owned shops is a load of bollocks and quite frankly like we say back home “do so , don’t like so”. In other words don’t spit out half-arsed dribble and call them facts if you don’t want people to do the same about where you’re from.
I would go around leaving comments like ” I think Black Americans , will never get anyway in life because of a lack of esucation” because its out of order rude and quite frankly disgusting so I would never , its one thing hearing about what you think about yourselves and passing those thoughts on and makin up a loads of crap. If you’ve got norhing to back it up then keep ot to yourelf!!
Charles Houston
February 14, 2015 at 7:33 pm (10 years ago)Marcelle, if the previous commenter is “ignorant” of Caribbean life because she hasn’t lived there then by your own admission you are just as ignorant about race issues in America because your knowledge is limited to talking to some Black Americans. Mr. Pot, please meet Ms. Kettle…I won’t respond to your comments about Black Americans’ general lack of “esucation” partly because you wouldn’t understand the many complex reasons for the plight of Black Americans in this country but mostly because it would require me to explain the concept of irony to you. I predict you will respond with an angry or personal attack against me or against Black Americans in general, but please make rational arguments using proper grammar, punctuation and syntax or I will find it impossible to take you seriously. Free Lesson of the Day: “It’s” is a contraction that stands for “it is.” That is usually what you mean. “Its” is possessive and refers to a thing that belongs to “it.” As you correctly point out, education is important.
sandrataitteaddy
February 4, 2015 at 6:04 pm (10 years ago)Whites in America only see themselves as a color, when interacting with persons of a different race. Most of their lives are spent identifying by class and ethnicity. I suspect it is this way for persons in the Black majority in the Caribbean, that is, until they enter the more serious economic competition found in banking, employment, housing and other corporate institutions.
The Caribbean was the hub of the Atlantic Slave Trade. Our institutions and laws were defined by and created on the basis of economic success on the basis of wholesale violence, denigration on Blacks and the cultivation of self hate and denigration of anything African derived. In order to survive this, our culture had to sell out to racism, to the point where some have convinced ourselves it isn’t there. The fact is, we wear it well. How else would you explain why the wealth is controlled by a small minority? Why we still refer to our skin, hair, language with self-deprecating words and tones. Why all the skin bleaching, billions on beauty products, etc. Why so relatively low wealth outcomes.
I can go to any Caribbean island, right now, on a cruise, and never get the opportunity to buy from a Black business. I can go to any Caribbean island right now and never stay in a Black owned hotel, I can go to any Caribbean island right now and be denied credit from a bank based on factors other than my collateral. I can go to any Caribbean island right now and still hear things like good hair, too black, nigguh, etc.
Caribbean immigrants fought alongside African Americans for many of the civil rights enjoyed by modern day Blacks. If you feel that racism is not as bad, perhaps it is because you take fruit of their struggle here in the United States for granted and have side stepped your obligation to continue the fight..
It must be nice to be able to wear rose colored glasses in such a racilized and cruel world. That my dear is the essence of racism. Submission.
Rainbow Fairy
February 3, 2015 at 7:48 am (10 years ago)Amen to this article. Thanks Aidan
carament
February 1, 2015 at 12:27 am (10 years ago)It seems good old racism has reared its ugly head yet again in the extant discourse. I was appalled by at least one comment, remained indifferent to most of those I read and humored by one of the most recent.
Appalled: The idea that anyone can think and actually set to paper the notion of blacks being the most racist people, is appalling; more so, when uttered by a person claiming to be black. She was appropriately dispatched to the ranks of idiocy by a poster; even though it was recalled. However, if, in a serious conversation, you are going to behave and say things to suggest you are 3 years or younger with an IQ below 25, you will open yourself to being deemed an idiot in the true sense of the word.
Indifferent: Like the original post, nearly all of this reasoning has been iterated before: Generally,it comes from a school of thought which espouses that Africans, in order to realize real progress, should ignore the history of slavery, post emancipation discrimination and even the color of their skin. This is generally white conservative thinking even though some moderates and liberals have bought into the idea. They encourage Africans to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps; but, alas, they don’t even consider, or they make themselves conveniently unaware, that too many Africans actually don’t have or have been denied boots; hence the non-existence of the would-be-life-enhancing straps. Further, they nourish the notion that we should not view matters as black versus white. And they encourage the miseducation that there’s only one race – the “human race”- a most fallacious proposition. If one were to avail oneself of “Race Matters”(Cornel West), perhaps, one might begin to disabuse oneself of the notion that racism in America can be ignored or swept under the rug. Fortunately, it is only a very minute microcosm of society who will read this blog and actually buy in to the shakeable premise of this blogger, Ms. Neal. I believe at heart she means well, but she and those who accept her view does and cannot address the wealth of negative racial experiences that society is possessed of, even to date. True, her ideations are what we might want society in general to reflect; but for now and far into the future such will remain escapes into what is hopefully a temporary lapse into idiosyncrasy.
On another note, but equally fallacious is the idea that the Caribbean with its mostly African population is bereft of racism. As some posters have noted there are several forms of racial discrimination in Caribbean society – shadism, colorism, classism and elitism. Shadism and colorism are absolute progenies of racism: Thy all have to do with skin tones – the lighter. the more acceptable. Classism and elitism cannot escape their attachment to racism either: Like in Caribbean society, upper classes and elites enjoy “top-ranking”; often through lighter color. Even when the color is darker, the behaviors are mimicked by those with a lighter hue. In all of this we have not even began to discuss how racism became institutionalized and why its effects remain present today.
Humor: Andeas’s January 18th post is very humorous. He cites his dealing with black contractors who were dishonest and he seems convinced that the contract awards he received was a result of “the content of his character”…No Andeas, you probably under bid every other contractor vying for the project. It was the content of your low bid and expertise that got you the project. So, while your experiences with black contractors (two of them only) might have resulted in unfortunate outcomes they and their actions do not and cannot represent the total black contracting community in Texas or wherever.
I was happy to read many of the posts and get a idea of perspectives out there but our community has a lot of work to do. Understanding racism and confronting it is a viable yet long path to its elimination. Best regards to all.
cd
January 29, 2015 at 9:26 pm (10 years ago)You know, although your post is ignorant of the AA experience and the historical racism in the US, you have some very good points. AAs do see racism in places where it doesn’t exist. Once, I turned down a one way street following a van. The van passed up a parking spot and wanted to back up down the one way street. I wasn’t going to back up for him and break the law, but he sat in the road for quite awhile while I honked to get moving. Finally, he does, but when we get to the end of the street and I pull up next to him at the red light to turn left, he starts screaming at me “You racist bitch!” As if my refusal to break a law so he can get a parking space had anything to do with race. This kind of stuff happens all the time in DC. Once I volunteered at a soup kitchen and was called a “white bitch” for not giving a guy as much food as he wanted. Another time I heard your example – a woman said she didn’t get a job because she was black. I later found out that the person who was hired was also black. And god forbid bumping into someone in the grocery store. In DC, if you’re white, everything you do is racist. I’m sick of it. I know the damn history! I know Jim Crow, housing discrimination, Brown V Board, etc, etc, etc. I know our justice system makes a mockery of the word justice. I know educational disparities are great. Jesus. I was once an ally, but now that white people are not allowed to talk about race because we’re all racist, I’m losing my desire to help. I’ve been called a white bitch too many times in this city for the stupidest of things by people who have been taught since birth that white people are evil. Man, and the look of hatred from the eyes of some children…so sad. Nothing will change when this climate of hatred exists. MLK must be rolling in his grave.
TheAwk
January 29, 2015 at 6:04 pm (10 years ago)+10000 for Cain Bece Marko
TheAwk
January 29, 2015 at 5:56 pm (10 years ago)Bravo!
TheAwk
January 29, 2015 at 5:55 pm (10 years ago)The same people claiming the don’t see color are the one trying to fit and associate with white when they arrive in America. Look at those girls! 95% of them wear weaves because they have been brainwashed by euro-centric beauty standard. 95% of the Black guys who reached a certain level of education or notoriety choose to date white women. It’s like a disease! Integration is a tool used to pacify the Black mind while they continue to enjoy the privileges left by their barbaric ancestors. Some black people are trying to improve their position in white supremacy in denying the reality of the conditions of Black people.
Some Black men have high standard when it comes to date a Black woman but will gladly date ANY (I say ANY) non black woman while the white woman expects the black man to be THIS or THAT to be interested in him, or she is expecting good sexual performances (STOP being used as sex toys). This is one of the biggest problem of our community.
If ones are able to love one another without the filter of white supremacy, self hatred and white/mixed people feeling they are superior than Black, I have no fight with that. However if ones are using their ‘color-blinded’ behaviour as an escape from racial oppression or from being ‘lumped’ in with the ‘losing’ side, I take great exception to that.
You try to convince yourself be color-blinded without noticing the prison warfare, the economic warfare against Black people in America.
Of course if you try to fit and act like a kind Black person, you won’t feel the racism around you. That’s not to say all people are racist but the system is designed by racists. In schools, they try to hide Black history. How many of the so called “color-blinded” Caribbeans know what was call the “Black Wall Street” was bombed by jealous white people on 1921? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot/. They don’t want Black people to progress. Period! The very few of them they allow to be really successful (jay-z, oprah etc.) work in their interest.
As someone else put it on this thread, talk for yourself! How can you be in a rush to judge Black people in America who lived there their whole life?
You can’t really feel racism in the west islands because they are almost Black. But they are also victims of white supremacy and propaganda: girl with weaves everywhere, Negropeans everywhere
Pharrel Williams tried to promote his “new Black theory” but I think the decision of the grand jury regarding the murder of Michael Brown in Ferguson made him change his mind.
You can live your life trying to fit and being careless about the struggle of Black people in America but you’ll realize racism is around you, sooner or later.
bevan
January 28, 2015 at 6:35 pm (10 years ago)This article is utter rubbish and as a Caribbean person from Trinidad and Tobago who has travelled throughout the region I feel it is imperative of me to apologise to my African American brothers and sisters and to assert that this woman only speaks for herself and a small declining part of our middle class that is practicing wilful self deception
Yvonne Dean
July 18, 2015 at 6:02 am (9 years ago)Bravo Bevan
Angela Raeburn
August 19, 2015 at 1:49 am (9 years ago)Bevan – I too am a Trinidadian. Grew up in high school in the US. Traveled the region and know some places well like Guyana. I too would like to apologize to my African American brothers and sisters for the drivel written by this person. This person is clinging to our last vestiges of the colonial mind that managed us for decades. I know these type of people – usually of lighter hue, perhaps with a European in the background. Please accept our sincerest apologies for this person.
caribcanadian
August 19, 2015 at 12:40 pm (9 years ago)Not necessarily of lighter skin with a European in the background. I’ve met plenty of people, of a darker hue, if you want to describe it as such, with the same colonial mind. By the way, most people whose ancestors were enslaved have several Caucasians in their background. And….I happen to be a Black person with very light skin with a few Caucasians in my recent background and I definitely don’t fit as you term ‘these types of people’. We are not all the same. We don’t all fit the stereotypes out there. Please…we have to judge people on the content of their character and not the color of their skins..as one’s skin folk are not necessarily one’s kin folk.
apocalypsecreed
January 28, 2015 at 3:58 am (10 years ago)To those who had the opportunity to be raised somewhere else, enjoy your status as a Caribbean immigrant as long as you can. You should consider it a blessing to have been raised in your home country, where almost everyone looks like you and share your same cultural background. This means you had the luxury of not having to think about “race” or difference very much – it didn’t affect you. Being raised in such an environment gives you a strong sense of self, something difficult for those of us who’ve been raised in the United States who are constantly shown and told we are worthless – especially when we are young.
What you do not realize, unfortunately, is that if you decide to raise children here in the good ol’ USA, they will be considered African-American for two reasons, (1) their life experience will be in this country, and (2) they won’t have accents, making them African-Americans in the eyes of everyone else.
I know many of you will try to raise your kids as being from whatever country you are from, including sending them “home” every summer and trying to keep them away from African-Americans. What you fail to realize is that you are an immigrant, from somewhere else. You probably have an accent and other identifying things that make others see you and treat you differently. Your children will not be immigrants. They will be from here.
They will most likely identify with those they share their personal experience with, such as African-Americans or other children whose parents are also Caribbean immigrants. They will go back and spend time where you grew up every summer, but soon enough you’ll see how “American” and different your kids really are. They will look and feel out of place in the Caribbean. And you will eventually feel weird trying to take them “back home”. USA is a great place for Caribbean immigrants, so enjoy your immigrant status and be blissfully, willfully ignorant to the plight of those around you. When your children come of age, you’ll better understand what you’re talking about. And you’ll come back to revise your blog post.
AVRIL JAMES
January 28, 2015 at 12:13 am (10 years ago)I am in complete agreement with Aidan Neal’s article. Black Americans should NEVER forget
their History.On the other hand, we all know that except for the aboriginal population in North
and South America, all the others are from other countries. They do not hyphenate their country of origin, for example, English-American, Irish-American, Russian-American etc., so why do Black American, whose ancestors came from Africa, and who were born in the USA–
over several generations, and probably do not know much about Africa, refer to them selves as African; and when they are treated as foreigners, they are surprised. Wake- up!! You are
AMERICAN PERIOD!! When a person who was born in Africa–white or black and emigrated
to America, obtained US citizenship– they are entitled to call themselves African- American.
Linda Watson-Lorde
January 28, 2015 at 5:23 pm (10 years ago)agree 100%
Cain Bece Marko
January 27, 2015 at 11:41 pm (10 years ago)To say that we should stop dwelling in the past (as if racism is a thing of the past) is to completely ignore the current and very real racism that still permeates every bit of the black experience in America. Racism isn’t any better today than it ever was, it has simply evolved to hide itself better as all viruses do over time. Every system in America is still designed to empower whites and oppress people of color. The fact that you choose to ignore it may work well for you, but it doesn’t make it any less real.
RPJS
January 27, 2015 at 5:00 am (10 years ago)i would like to add that i am not entirely certain i agree with everything the blogger writes in this article, and i am from the Caribbean. though, that said, i do LIVE in the Caribbean and am also not a current US citizen. nor have i ever really lived in the US. i have visited and based on that i am not sure i agree with how the author represents the issue of the complexity of African-Americans’ response to racism in the article. it does border on the simplistic, almost flippant and disrespectful in many ways.
so that, while there are qualitative differences between being Caribbean and being African-American, i also believe in empathy and a sense of being concerned for others caught in an extremely difficult situations. i certainly understand from working in situations with other foreign nationals, etc. how black skin can, in fact, be stigmatised in such a way that it does make it challenging to operate in various situations.
in that situation, the pain of dealing with discrimination can be an ever waking present. we need to be more empathetic and stop trying to so glibly brushing off the concerns of blacks in America.
Yvonne Dean
July 18, 2015 at 6:04 am (9 years ago)Amen Brother
Rohan Isidore
January 27, 2015 at 3:48 am (10 years ago)On the part about getting a job in america as a black person. Race actually does matter. studies have been carried out to verify this, send 2 resumes in both with equal information, but just the names ( one a typical white name and the other a typical black name) and the one with the white name got i think 50 or 60% more calls im not too sure how much but it was about that much
eve (@EtotheVtotheE)
January 26, 2015 at 9:08 pm (10 years ago)Finally, it’s a little funny how a small amount of the people who came here during the great wave of immigration which started in the 1960s till the present, right after the many gains of the Civil Rights Movement were made, don’t realize they came after a war which benefitted them. Criticizing any trauma experienced by some of the people who have been fighting for centuries is like walking through a door someone was maimed trying to open, stepping around them, and then looking at them as if to say “Why are you on the ground? What happened? Why can’t you pull yourself up and open a corner store like the one I’m about to open?” LOL.
eve (@EtotheVtotheE)
January 26, 2015 at 9:08 pm (10 years ago)This article is interesting. It makes huge generalizations about a complex and diverse group of people (African Americans, that is), and then makes obvious statements (like the idea that people from Caribbean countries which are largely Black didn’t have to think about race as much … which is a foregone conclusion). If a person elects to live in a country in which they weren’t born, they should study the history and cultural context of the country … if they’re interested in not being as confused as this author is. If understanding their new home isn’t important, that’s their decision. But if they want to understand the place where they have decided to live, deliberately not learning the history and cultural context that created the variables of the behavior they see is like reading a 30-chapter book from the 20th chapter and then wondering what’s going on. LOL. Or hearing about chapters 1 through 19 and concluding, in simplistic fashion, “They were slaves. OK. I get it.” I wouldn’t make my home in Venezuela without learning what made the country what it is, without learning the culture, and without attempting to learn the language. Otherwise, what am I doing there? Unless I just don’t care and don’t intend to interact with people and I expect to go home soon. And I certainly wouldn’t limit my exposure to ignorant or traumatized people only to superimpose their ignorance and trauma on regular folks as if they are all the same.
Andre Lettsome
February 21, 2015 at 7:23 pm (10 years ago)I agree Eve. What is even more disturbing is when persons leave their places of birth and enjoy the spoils of other persons efforts, and then speak disparagingly of the ones who have made it possible for them to enjoy such liberties. I am a Caribbean national and I can’t sit in all fairness and discount the efforts of the “freedom marchers” and all the individuals who came before me that made my presence on the mainland possible. I implore persons to stop talking from an emotional perspective and delve deeper into empirical data.
Shaggi
January 26, 2015 at 7:19 pm (10 years ago)Thank you Aidan for your courage to write on such a thought provoking article. I agree with your viewpoint as I am also of carribbean descent living in the US, still trying to overcome the initial shock of racial bias I experienced when I first arrive 23 years ago. I agree that we live in a very harsh and brutal society which has managed to institutionalize prejudice and bigotry to our detriment. We should however be encouraged by our ability to overcome and thrive despite having the deck stacked against us. The current discussion allows us to become stronger and more cohesive as a people. As long as the discourse continues among ourselves we are at a healthy state, the more we talk to each other the more we realize the only thing that’s different is our opinions shaped by our differing experiencesand once shared will lead to a better understanding of ourselves. Recommended reading Post traumatic slave syndrome by Dr Joyce Leary now Degruy. This has helped me personally to understand the psychological impact of slavery and the dangers if not understood will perpetrate for generations. The youtube link is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rQjVZX6jzc.
Liz
January 26, 2015 at 2:46 am (10 years ago)When I was 13 my family moved to the West Indies from a small Canadian town, and while from what I’ve seen throughout my life I mostly agree with this article I feel the need to point out that the writer belonged to the majority population in the West Indies. The way the article comes across it sounds like there is no racism at all in the Caribbean, but as a white blond hair blue eyed girl I found quite a bit of it.
Most people didn’t care what the colour of my skin was; once they knew me. However, if I went shopping by myself prices often tripled or quadrupled, even the products with stickers on them. As I got older, I noticed that my friends got harassed by men on the street a lot less than I did. It wasn’t because I was prettier than them by any means, I was a pretty ugly teenager. It was because people assumed I had money because of the colour of my skin. That still qualifies as racism, and when men are yelling at you on the street to take them home with you, and calling you a white conk, it really feels like racism. But there are assholes everywhere, and wherever they are there will be stereotypes and racism and whatever other hatefulness they can come up with. The only thing to do is make sure you don’t propagate it, and you do the best you can to be the better person.
In the United States, they need to learn to stop propagating it. This is an outside view looking in, but one can learn their history and culture and still not let it be the be all and end all. If racism stops being pointed out so much, it will be forgotten about, and in a good way. I’m not saying that’s the only solution by any means, I just believe that maybe it’s time for a blank slate. It’s time to not tell your children that they will be discriminated against; they’ll learn that on their own if it happens. It’s time to simply not care, and that’s up to black people as much as it is up to white people.
Doreen Baran
January 24, 2015 at 1:46 am (10 years ago)As a white elderly Canadian missionary lady, I worked in Jamaica for 6 years at a Bible College. Most of the time I was the only white person living on the campus grounds. I never felt that I was different than them, or that they were different than me. We are all God’s creation, and the colour of our skin is His choice, I love the Jamaican people and feel totally at home with them. In my eyes and heart, we all look the same. Come to Canada. We are not perfect, but I do pray that you will be treated as an equal, as we all are in God’s eyes.
Althea
January 25, 2015 at 9:17 pm (10 years ago)Aiden you have written a very good piece. I enjoy discussions that allow us to review how our belief systems affect our experiences. I am also from the Caribbean now living in Toronto. I have never lived in the US except through the lens of my television. I agree that growing up West Indian with African or mixed background was never an issue especially if you were of a lighter shade and of a more affluent economic status. My friends who were darker and had less to do with economically would beg to differ. Albeit we knew nothing like the African Americans cry about. In psychology, it is believed that when you’ve been bitten by a snake enough times you become afraid of snakes to the point where it can be a part of your genetic coding. We all agree that African Americans have had some huge and painfully bites that no doubt is affecting their off springs psychologically and being passed on to new generations. I am not at all surprised at their heightened awareness to racism given their history. On the other hand I also believe that the fear that some white folks have of black people (like you, I am black) is very deep and also set in their genetic coding and fosters the negative racial attitudes that perpetuates the viscous circle. It is my belief that improvement will come as a result of intentional efforts by both sides to have a better understanding and healthy respect for each other. Over time, the genetic coding will also change for the better.
stxfile
January 23, 2015 at 7:22 pm (10 years ago)Wow! I’ve been telling this story since 1989 when I first went to college. I recall how shocked I was when I met stateside black people with these huge chips on their shoulders!! everything was measured in black or white. It was unreal! I too, recall that their behavior made me aware, for the first time, that I never saw “colors” while growing up and how naive I was to all of this! To make matters even more complicated, I am a several-generation HISPANIC Virgin Islander (that could pass for white). The vast majority of my friends at our campus chapter of Caribbean Students Association were black and when we hung out at black frat parties, we definitely experienced what you mentioned…hell, I needed my Caribbean friends just to get me through the front door (no whites allowed)!! Very interesting…
Andre Lettsome
February 21, 2015 at 7:37 pm (10 years ago)I too am a Virgin Islander and my experience does not mirror yours. I have interacted with many American Blacks who have been embracing. It is interesting you should make mention of your hispanic heritage. Don’t blacks in predominantly White-Hispanic areas suffer the same fate as do Black Americans. Black Puerto Ricans are often marginalized as are Black nationals from Dominican Republic. Recently Dominican Republic revoked the citizenship of generations-old Dominicans with Haitian ancestry.
Elijah Snow
January 23, 2015 at 3:51 pm (10 years ago)Another three things about privilege conveniently left out of the discussion: 1) privileges are often assumed but never really corroborated, 2) they are based on crude generalizations, and 3) counterprivileges are never taken into account, even when they balance any possible privilege you may have. And this is why PrivilegeSpeak makes me sick. It’s one-sided, dishonest and uber politically correct.
Elijah Snow
January 23, 2015 at 3:48 pm (10 years ago)Things get easily out of hand with African Americans, particularly for light skinned people who are not really white, as it was my case. My very existence seemed a detonator for African Americans. I was even adjudicated privileges I never had, and denied counterprivileges that are not visible, like my hiv and atheism. I think that there is white privilege, male privilage, straight privilege, and thin privilege. Sure. Of course. Certainly. But there is also Christian privilege and HIV- privilege. African Americans are conveniently not talking about that. Now, as an Atheist HIV+ queer guy (note that I’m not saying gay, because In reality, I am pansexual, which is a minority in the LGBTT umbrella), a Christian heterosexual African American woman can have more privilege over me than my lighter skin may afford me over her. For instance. This privilege thing really needs to stop. It needs to be studied with seriousness, not brandished around people’s faces.
The Ephiphany
January 19, 2015 at 6:48 pm (10 years ago)I had an open discussion with a very educated and successful African American friend once who opened my eyes having migrated to the US from the Caribbean. The ONE thing he said made an impression on me. I wanted to understand their struggle first off all and wanted him to explain to me why there are these hang ups within the culture. He said, “consider this your massas left you guys to fend for yourselves in the Islands, but guess what, in the US, our massas never left. They are still here. They train their generations after them to hate and show prejudice. Our experiences are very different. You come from a place where you see black men and women in power (this convo years prior to Obama), you look on the news and the media people look just like you. I don’t even know if our people ever will get that representation.” And you know what, he IS right. I grew up in a country where being black wasn’t anything that held you back, hell being black was the majority so I knew no other way to be but that way when I migrated to the US. HOWEVER, as the veils lifted I found racism to be very real. I remember family members telling me NY is a melting pot of people and it’s nothing like the South (only what they saw or knew from TV), but it’s only when you live in NY you realize it’s a bunch of segregated communities, you’re free to cross over, but pretty much segregated, the little Italy, the china towns, the crown heights for West Indians. Oh and racism is a silent game where no one will come out and tell you that they can’t stand you being in their country or being black, but guess what, you instead get passed over for promotions, get started at lower salaries when compared to your counterparts who are equal or less educated that yourself. This bit you won’t ever know unless you have access to systems or the ins on hiring discussions. Don’t be fooled. Having tried the forbidden South, people are a lot more vocal and suggestive in their behaviors so you have a clearer idea of who’s who. I prefer that more than all smiles in your face and stabbing you in the back. Show me your colors so I know who you are. I still believe we are all responsible for our own outcomes, but keep in mind that you have forces working against you that you can’t see. While today I consider myself to be pretty successful, it came from having been shaped by experiences where I myself had to fight through the nonsense. Being told that if I didn’t wear my hair a certain way they’re not sure I’d make it to the top. You know that I said in my most clearest Island Accent “Well too bad. I can only be me.” This confidence I credit now from my Island heritage of having images of beautiful and confident black mothers, sisters, aunts cousins, HELL people. I credit now from having spent my impressionable years in a country where I was a majority and therefore think like a majority. All I can do for my children is make sure they see the world and know that this little box called North America isn’t reflective of the entire world.
andeas
January 18, 2015 at 7:50 pm (10 years ago)a
, you are so right! My experience dealing with black in business was a nightmare the first 5 years and cost black jobs!
Thanks to the lack of racism in our country I was able to survive the nearly $450,000 to o black contractors my first 5 years. It has always been good white business people who have made life changing decisions which allowed my company to go on and do almost $2.5 million despite the challenges which opened up the world to me allowing me to travel as far East as Cambodia on missions.
Jeremy, I wrote this essay 8 years ago (before Obama) and sent it to the local Dallas Examiner Magazine. It was published.
ONYCHA INDUSTRIES CORPORATION
http://www.onychaindustries.com (web site is being repared)
Honorary Chairman
2003 Texas Businessman of the Year, NRCC
A memo to my friends at the City of Dallas and to our great Nation from a
black contractor
GREAT NEWS! Martin Luther Kings dream that we be judged by the content of
our character and not the color of our skin has become reality! Social
injustice is virtually no more, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson.
In 10 years of being self employed, I feel compelled to thank America for
allowing me to experience the American dream. I founded my company at the
age of 28, 1997, with a Ford Probe and a mortgage on my first house. I
have no college degree and only had one year of construction experience in
1996, working for $6.00 an hour.
Read this:
In 1997, my company engaged in what was intended to be a large sidewalk
replacement contract with the City of Dallas. I was chosen by an African
American General Contractor, TEI Construction and Engineering, to
participate in this contract due to my minority status. I was given a
signed contract and proceeded out to sign 6 concrete subcontractors to
begin work on this wonderful contract. In a span of 3 months I billed TEI
for $268,000.00. I was paid $48,000.00. Then the payments stopped coming!
I pleaded with the owner, twice my age, telling him I had maxed out my
credit cards, paying my subcontractors for their completed work. I
informed him I did not want to file claims as he will loose his bond
privileges. Ego and pride prevailed and I was forced to file claims. What
a blow! (the bonding company and I would settle for $52,000.00 4 years
later)
TO THE RESCUE!
By 1998, looking at the big picture, I grudgingly paid the minimums on my
maxed out $5,000.00 limit credit cards, only to see my balances increase
each month. I decided to go to a bonding company, just me and my 1996 Ford
Probe, and apply for my own surety bond line. I had received a request for
bid from Plano Independent School District on an estimated $80,000.00
parking lot for Plano High School. With maxed out credit cards, a Ford
Probe as my company collateral, but evidence of what I had accomplished
with the City of Dallas through Dallas references, I was granted my first
surety bond line ($200,000.00 bond line) by the content of my character.
Praise Jesus!
I bid on and won the Plano parking lot. I carried out my first project to
perfection. I then went to Sherman, Tx. to buy my first true work truck, a
1996 Dodge dually. I was seduced into buying two 1996 Dodge Rams and a
1996 Ford Taurus, all white in color. The salesman sighted my credit was
that good! I left the dealership in a panic, thinking I may have gotten
over my head. By the grace of God, all three vehicles were paid off early!
By 1999, my bond line had jumped to $500,000.00, by the content of my
character. Toward the end of 1999, I won $600,000.00 in sidewalk contracts
with the City of Dallas. I went to Metro Ford in Dallas to buy my first
dump truck, brand new. I walked in with my check book expecting to pay
something down. Instead of asking me for a check, the dealer gave me the
keys and escorted me to my new truck. The dealer smiled and said, â€She’s
all yours, you’ll get your first bill in 6 weeks.†NOTHING DOWN! Based on
the content of my character!
The Dallas contracts were completed on time and to perfection. By this
time, my credit card debt was no more. I also bought a Bobcat front end
loader in 1999. I added some more work trucks and had a formidable amount
of business collateral.
By 2002, my company had grossed $2,700,000.00. I completed nearly
$900,000.00 with the City of Dallas with no discrepancies. Early that year
I received a phone call from a black janitorial contractor, Century
Services, out of Ft.Worth. He wanted to collaborate with me on bidding on
a City of Dallas sidewalk project on Skillman Road in Dallas because he
acknowledged I was an expert with the City of Dallas. I would engage in a
contract with an African American for the second time in my career. I
picked up the bid specs. from the City and filled out all the bid
documents including the unit items. He signed it and provided the surety
bond. We won the bid and set out to procure the project. By this time I
was five months in payments away from being paid off in full. It was
around this time I became deadly ill with a neural virus. My crew
completed the job with no discrepancies.
I was admitted into the hospital on Feb. 25, 2003, fearing for my life. I
had lost 80 lbs. I was released 8 days later. I called Lewis Johnson of
Century Services in reference to payment. I reminded him I needed at
least $5,000.00 to pay off my bobcat. He refused, not explaining why he
wouldn’t pay. I knew then the demon of envy, covetedness, pride and greed
had infiltrated his spirit. He perjured himself on a government document,
Form 8, of which I was the only contractor listed. He signed the document
claiming he had paid me $52,000.00. He never paid me a dime on this
$70,000.00 contract! It doesn’t end there, this man who cursed at me when
I told him God would not condone his actions is a minister!
The virus took me out for five months. Because I had no money to meet my
bills, I was forced to file bankruptcy. I lost all my equipment at my
storage facility and my dump truck which was a year away from being paid
off in full was repossessed as was my bobcat which was 5 months away from
being paid off, my first repossessions of my LIFE! An additional black
contractor blocked checks of $12,000.00 made out to me believing I would
pass away. I was too ill to file timely claims, so I gave it to God. I
asked the Lord to forgive him and bless him. In 2004, he filed for
bankruptcy as a sole proprietor which put him completely out of business.
Praise God for the corporate system which doesn’t effect my business.
However, the loss of all my equipment and the inability to qualify for
surety bonds, due to my bankruptcy, eliminates me from giving jobs to
minorities and black subcontractors.
Who’s keeping our people down? And who is going to get me out of this
mess? The same people who have chosen to walk the walk of the precepts
set forth by the spirit God over 400 years ago, the same spirit which
freed us in 1864, and gave us affirmative action and voting rights 100
years later. Unfortunately, What LBJ meant for good and compensation for
past discrimination has left us with no excuses.
The reason my spirit is so high is because in ten years of business at age
38 and more than $3,000,000.00 in gross sales, I’ve seen the change in
our culture regarding race.
White America has become apathetic to our complaints. They have done
everything they could to make amends for past transgressions even though
most weren’t around during the civil rights movement. We need to stop
being so cynical toward white America and understand we are the greatest
nation in the world because they have decided to walk the walk of their
faith in the last 40 years. We don’t want to believe it because it holds
us accountable.
I feel I owe white America a debt of gratitude for blessing me without any
transgressions in 16 years. This is because true Christians don’t covet.
They walk the walk. They don’t need our killings and our disrespect. But
they forgive us for our transgressions in hope of a changing environment.
A Christian attitude.
We talk the talk of Jesus Christ but we don’t walk the walk. We need to
get on our knees and thank God to be living in this environment. We are
not living for the right reasons. I work hard to make my wife proud of me
and so she can enjoy the American dream, (she’s from Germany)
We’ve grossed over $3,000,000.00 to date
I am thankful to America for helping pay off my house in North Garland in
5 years.
I am thankful to America for being voted 2003 Texas Businessman of the
Year by the NRCC in Washington D.C. by the content of my character
Invited to George Bushes 2004 Annual Dinner and attending by the content
of my character
Awarded the 2006 Merit Award by the content of my character.
I am thankful to America for being blessed to travel anywhere in the world
on a credit card because I was approved by my credibility and not my skin
color.
I traveled to Europe ever year since 1996. I’ve traveled to Cambodia twice
on mission trips, changing course on the way back home to run the beaches
of Cancun for a week at the exclusive five star Hotel. Oh no! Don’t tell
Al Sharpton. He proclaimed on national TV “We’re not free, no, we’re not
free!†This is our spiritual leader inciting anger and strife among the
masses. Hypocrite!
Praise God for his mercy,, deliverance and healing power!
Andre Lettsome
December 1, 2014 at 1:08 am (10 years ago)In the wake of the grand jury’s decision on Michael Brown, I think it’s only fitting that we revisit this topic. For all the persons who seemed not to comprehend the context in which the African American existence is predicated I provide a link to an exhaustive analysis on racial bias buttressed by empirical data. It is time we stop allowing our emotions to speak and start utilizing a trenchant approach to the situation.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/26/us/ferguson-racism-or-racial-bias/index.html?c&page=0
Bee
October 2, 2014 at 3:42 pm (10 years ago)Aidan,
I liked your post simply because it rang true for me too – as a transplanted Haitian, I could NOT understand what was going on when I landed in California – what the hooplah was about. I happen to be lighter skinned, and my sisters and I all run the gamut of shades. My parents are both Haitian, one is dark with green eyes, the other so white no tan is ever possible. But Latinas wanted me to hang with them because I speak Spanish. Black girls wanted me to denounce everyone else, and hang with them and stop pretending that I was not black.
All this did was send me down a spiral of depression for two years. I was a teenager when my parents decided to leave Haiti. The worst move, I thought. Now that I am grown, I am beginning to understand how African Americans feel and why (after extensively reading Frederick Douglass, W.E.B. Dubois, Malcom X, etc.)
Perhaps you can write again from the perspective of the Caribbean folk and how we feel – as opposed to inter-weaving how African Americans feel and why, because we will never fully grasp the horror they still carry around – perpetuated by a system that is innately racist.
Truth: I identify as Haitian. Not white Haitian, not Red Bone Haitian, not “light” Haitian, not Haitian-ish, not Haitian-like, not Black, not Browin-ish. When the earthquake struck in 2010 and a lot of people “found out” as if I were hiding it, that I am Haitian the most prevailing ignorant remark was: “You’re not Haitian. You can’t be Haitian. You don’t look Haitian.” WTH??? What does a Haitian look like? Well, the CNN Haitian is what Haitians look like, I guess.
My Jamaican, Dominican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, St Croix-ians, St Thomas-ian, Barbadan friends all feel the same way. We refuse to be “categorized” by the color of our skin because it doesn’t make sense to us. We are, for the most part, people of the nation in which we were born.
Thanks for writing this. Engaging. Important.
Raul
October 2, 2014 at 2:44 pm (10 years ago)Actually I recently directed a documentary entitled “Culture Clash” on that same topic. Caribbean children of immigrant parents and their struggles between two cultures. Here’s a trailer http://youtu.be/OUMHK99HpLw
Charles Houston
August 4, 2014 at 10:34 pm (10 years ago)My comment re: dogs was in reference to another poster who compared Black Americans to “tied dogs.” I didn’t just conjure that reference out of thin air, Marcelle; it was a direct response to that poster and can be found directly under his or her post. At the risk of coming across as “pedantic,” the problem with your facile “slavery was a long time ago” argument is that it completely ignores all of the wrongs and injustices that have gone on since emancipation. It’s not all about slavery. You do realize that Brown v. Bd of Education was decided exactly 60 yrs ago, right? That’s within memory of my parents, who went to segregated schools. And they were lucky – at least they had schools to go to. Many didn’t. You do realize that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was – stay with me – 50 years ago. Before that Black folks didn’t have the right to have a say in America’s “democracy.” Couldn’t live in certain parts of town. You know that educational and employment inequalities exist to this day, right? You know that restrictive covenants went on well into the 1970’s, right? And if you don’t know of these very recent things or understand how they apply and affect Black people today, read more. Of course, if you DO know these things, you should know better than to rely on the slavery argument. You think Black people choose to live in the projects, where street crime and drugs abound? Make an effort to get beyond the simplistic “slavery as crutch” argument. The slaves were technically freed in 1865 but do you know what sharecroppers were? Are you familiar with debt peonage? Do you understand the terms “prison industrial complex” or sentencing disparity and how they are applicable? When you’ve figured out why your “slavery was a long time ago” argument doesn’t hold up and sounds like a Tea Party anthem, you should come back. And when you do, please read the comments above and explain why so many fellow West Indians disagree with your claim that West Indians don’t have a race problem. Stop being so smug when you know so very little about the underlying issues. Travel to different parts of the U.S. and witness how race is tied to socioeconomic status here – much like skin color and socioeconomic status are linked in the West Indies. And if you believe I’m being overly sensitive about race, explain why I should be OK with police beating and killing innocent young Black men at disproportionate rates. Tell me how that’s ok or how I’m focusing too much on race and thus perpetuating the problem. And ask yourself how you’d feel if you’d been ordered facedown onto the ground at gunpoint by police officers in the Deep South because the car you were driving supposedly matched the description of a stolen car (note: diligent follow-up revealed that there was no stolen car). Don’t be so quick to condemn people for living lives you know nothing about. Or continue to be smug and condescending toward Black Americans. Your choice.
andre lettsome
August 6, 2014 at 9:54 am (10 years ago)Charles I endorse and sanction your position 100%. Sadly, for a lot of us empathy only happens when we find ourselves subject to the same woes of the persons we chide, then a shock of reality ensues, i.e. Herman Cain and his modern day lynching of a black man comment. If we continue to use our differences to define us, we are no farther along in resolving our problems; and for a fraction of us, we don’t recognize that. It is the existence of these same differences that has buttressed the system of racism. For a lot of people, they will never see your point, because their need to feel infinitely superior underscores their rationale. Too many of us see success as a singular achievement instead of a collective one. Hence the use of the pronoun “I” to define everything. Let us hope that at some point some individuals will recognize that empathy can only move us further along in achieving the success we deserve as people, and our differences should not set us apart but instead used a tool for unity.
DaNappyPrincess
August 3, 2014 at 5:27 am (10 years ago)Well said Adam!
Marcelle Jevon John
August 1, 2014 at 8:06 pm (10 years ago)Ohhh and I never once referred to anyone as a dog , what I said was about using past wrongs as a crutch. So if I say crutch and your minds went straight to dogs well then…
Marcelle Jevon John
August 1, 2014 at 7:53 pm (10 years ago)How have I judged your experience ?I have no idea what your personal experience is nor do I care. The fact of the matter is my opinion comes from speaking to different African Americans and they have also said the same thing that I said. Don’t be pedantic when you read my comment and just pick and choose. I’m not blaming or saying that black people are perpetuating anything but I’m not being funny you cannot get angry for another race calling you the N word if you keep referring to yourself as such. Don’t go around using language such as “the white man ” if when other races say “the black man” you’re gonna get upset. I put my hands up to anyone who’s not used their race as a crutch you’ve done yourself proud. Bottom line slavery happened but it did NOT happen to you or me it happened a long time ago and some African Americans need to stop using it as a crutch remember it yes but not use it as an excuse to blame society for the hand they’ve been dealt. Again my opinion stems from me speaking and asking questions before I open my mouth. I’m sorry if my opinion is one sided I don’t mean to offend. And to answer your first question this back and forth does nothing because as much as we would like to give our experiences it’s not going to change anything because those who can change it most likely isn’t affected by it thus change isn’t coming anytime soon well not unless we start do something drastic.
DaNappyPrincess
August 4, 2014 at 3:40 am (10 years ago)Actually, slavery for African Americans recently ended…what 40 something years ago? Carribeans are still affected by slavery and don’t known it…yes…you might be here in America judging us…but look at the bulk of your people back home? What prompted your people to move to America? Poverty at home? A better life? So, before you throw rocks at African Americans look at the fact that a lot of the ills you see in African Americans affect Carribean people too…if it didn’t most of the Islands would be considered first World countries…because actually. ..most Carribean islanders were free before African Americans. What’s your excuse?
Marcelle Jevon John
August 5, 2014 at 9:36 pm (10 years ago)I live in the UK love , and I moved here not because of the lack of my home country being a first world country . I am here because I’m here because I speak 4 different languages and decided to use that to my advantage , how does what happen to African Americans impact me ??? What’s the problem here the fact that most of us in the Caribbean don’t really see race.
There’s not even any need to keep commenting on this we are never gonna agree that some African Americans can be over sensitive because of colour and some Caribbean’s don’t really make it an issue. There is already too much divide within our own people from what shade you are to even where we come from soooo on that note. And about the police issues do you not think the situation has 2 sides to the story is there not I mean can you tell me that you haven’t seen the ratio of black YOUR bureau of justice states that 1 in every 3 black men will go to prison in their lifetime. Maybe there in lies the problem in why cops THINK they can act the way they do. Be it completely out of place it stems from somewhere. Don’t think that I’m blaming Black Americans for the shit the go through but some of you guys have to admit that some of you don’t make it easy for the others.
Charles Houston
August 1, 2014 at 6:21 pm (10 years ago)If all this back and forth does nothing then why in the world did you comment? The best thing about the original post was the dialogue it sparked. Look, your own experience with race is just that – your own experience. I don’t judge yours so don’t judge mine. My experience as a Black professional in this country tells me that racism abounds. Does it stop me? Of course not. It drives me to be better. Your comment accuses Black Americans of using their race as a “crutch” and then goes on to blame Black people for perpetuating racism. You also wrote, “I might be wrong…” You are.
Marcelle Jevon John
July 30, 2014 at 1:33 pm (10 years ago)To be honest people all of this back and forth does nothing. The reason why we West Indians haven’t got a problem with race is that we accept that racism exists we accept that our ancestors had it horrible with slavery and all that. But look through the history books EVERY RACE has been a slave one time or another it’s a fact be it their own race or another. Our ancestors were sold to the “white people” by our own race fact. The Jews were enslaved yet they don’t seem to be using it as a crutch or as a reason not to get a job or to be a delinquent. My family back home consists of “black” , “white” and “mixed race”. I’ve never seen them any different because they aren’t they are my flesh and blood and it’s because of them is why I don’t see colour. I get it some Black Americans do get stick and there is racism but maybe if they didn’t have this mentality of ” if they don’t expect me to do good , why should I” it might force this world to accept that racism and being prejudice is NO longer accepted. I might be wrong I might be naive but I don’t give people and their words a chance to belittle me or make me feel worthless. I know a lot of people are going to read this and go mental but I actually don’t care it’s enough we’ve already got to deal with a world that’s harsh and unpredictable no need to make it that tad harsher. P. S sorry for the lack of punctuation :/
andre lettsome
July 21, 2014 at 1:09 am (10 years ago)Why do we come to these people’s country and tell them how they should feel. We haven’t lived their experience. Maybe we should stay home. We claim that everything is so great where we came from. The sentiments expressed by some Caribbean folk is the same one I have heard expressed by some Africans..Maybe we should stay where we were born. How can you tell African Americans they are overly-aware if you haven’t lived their experience. If you were in a car or plane crash, what would your concerns be upon taking the wheel again or boarding a flight for the first time after your ill-fated encounter? Would you be more or less aware about your surroundings, would your confidence be the same? What would the impact be? Is it then fair enough to say that if African Americans’ awareness is overly-heightened, that we from the Caribbean are not aware enough? WE NEED TO STOP AND SEE HOW THIS DIVISION IS IMPACTING OUR CAUSE. We as a group of people still haven’t gained economic empowerment. We spend billions enriching a beauty industry trying to replicate an ideal that is not ours. One that tells us something is wrong with our hair. We spend billions in some instances bleaching our skin because we haven’t accepted our darkened hue. Would our perception be the same if weren’t exposed to another group telling us something was wrong with us? We are the most economically afflicted group of people on this earth yet we spend billions underwriting other people’s concept of beauty, monies that could otherwise be employed for us to gain economic independence. The more we continue to negate each other’s position and not realize we are in this together is the more we will continue to falter. We should be building each other up not tearing each other down.
Aidan Neal
July 21, 2014 at 8:25 pm (10 years ago)There has been no attempt to tear anyone down or to invalidate their experiences. There was also no intent to create a divide. The African American experience of a 24-35 year old today is very different from the experience of the African American experience of say 1950. Acknowledging that difference is not the same as saying racism doesn’t exist or that it should be ignored. There are actually black Americans who share these same notions. Living in America as a black person regardless of where you are from doesn’t make you any less black. Other races don’t see you as any different and it would be foolish to separate oneself from a race they belong. The attempt was to say in the Caribbean these are the ideologies we perpetrated. Maybe we would better off adapting those ideologies. The African American experience you are referring to is often the ancestral experience of other generations. In the 15 years I have lived here I have experienced several racist and/or discriminatory acts and I know persons whose anger is based on experiences shared with them as opposed to their own.
It is always easier to fear and/or be angry than it is to love and/or change. There have been over 250 expressions of disdain regarding this post but there have been far more in quiet agreement, tens of thousands in fact. The post has been reblogged several times in which several persons of several ethnic backgrounds agree. For as much backlash there has been, there has been more in agreement.
All I have had to say on the topic itself and the outrage of others I have already expressed. That said, your analogy is reminiscent of one I used in a response comment here. I’ll copy it here for your view. Thank you for your thoughts and I assure you we share the same goals of progression, upliftment and unity. Take care.
“Its about the perpetuation of a past to present and new generations. The tendency to be more present in acknowledging slavery and jim crow, while being far less willing to speak on the fact that there has and continues to be vast change. Choosing to do the later is not the same as ignoring ones heritage or pretending racism doesn’t exists. It’s just a step towards propagating the lesser truth in an attempt to advance change. The change that as you said has been weighed on the backs of black Americans who came and fought before us. A deep rooted and ugly past has not been ignored. Black history cannot be ignored because it is, in all it’s essence American history. Erring on the side of pleasantry does not an ignoramus make. The notion that one can be vastly in the know and choose not to perpetuate it in their everyday lives appears truly foreign and unpopular. Someone used the poor example of rape. Being brutalized in this manner is inexplicable and emotionally scarring. It does unimaginable and in many cases irreparable damage to a persons psyche. It takes some time (if it happens at all) to get past such trauma. Having worked in a Rape Treatment Center I’ve seen the horror someone can face. Once in a while, forums are set up to allow survivors to share how they overcame this trauma. How it took time, but they knew they would never know love and/or fulfill the dreams they wished to have if they didn’t learn to trust. If they didn’t practice being able to go somewhere on their own. If they hadn’t learned not to see everyone as a potential predator.They chose to move forward. It’s not the same as ignoring what has happened to them or pretending it still does not happen to others. It doesn’t mean he/she doesn’t know it can happen to them again. But it must be done to attain the semblance of a fulfilling life. They choose not to share this story with their daughters not because it isn’t important, not because rape wasn’t and doesn’t continue to be real but to give her the opportunity to live a life not overshadowed by a fear of men. A fear that her mother/father would have perpetrated. A life where she does not have this heightened awareness of men as predators (though some in fact are). A life, where should potential trust issues arise, they come from her own experiences and not those perpetuated by her parent’s very real and traumatic past. How can a victim of trauma hope to propagate change by reminding themselves and those around them how many times a day a rape happens. How can they move on by going into every situation consumed with thoughts that any man in this room could potentially violate me. Isn’t it a disservice when these thoughts are passed on to person’s -who though have the potential to experience the same- have not. The reasoning behind the behavior has not been lost on me. It is not my intention to devalue history. I have not nor will I ever tell anyone to “just get over anything.” In my work, it is not my nature to suggest that anyone just get over anything. I too find that very insensitive. It is not in my nature to make any self determinations on how persons should feel or react to anything. The article is a suggestion. A suggestion based a common thread, not my sole or the only idea of a Caribbean lifestyle, where race does not create segregation. A suggestion that by acknowledging without propagating a past in our daily lives, that perhaps our outlook will change and our children will grow to live in a continually bettered society.”
Charles Houston
August 1, 2014 at 7:05 pm (10 years ago)Despite the subtle backpedal in your comment above, the main issues w/ your original post stem from 2 generalizatons: (1) that all Caribbeans view race the way you do; and (2) that all Black Americans use racism as an excuse to hold us back. Neither are true. Your use of the rape analogy in your above comment is troublesome for me. I totally understand a woman not wanting to share that awful experience with her daughter for fear of jading her forever, but any mother would want to do whatever she could to keep her child from suffering the same fate, right? And one of the ways to do that is to encourage her daughter to be “aware” at all times. Being aware of one’s surroundings isn’t a bad thing in and of itself – and neither is being aware of the existence of racism and racial bias. That mother can and should convey the need for vigilance whether she chooses to share her traumatic experience or not. She can teach her daughter to be aware that there are certain situations she should avoid (putting herself in potentially vulnerable positions) because there are people who may try to take advantage of her. Isn’t it a parent’s duty to convey lessons like that? How is that different from me saying that some college counselors steer Black students away from certain professions because they don’t think they’re suitable? Trust me – it happens. And when it happens, shouldn’t somebody grab that Black student by the shoulders and say, “Don’t let somebody else’s biased perception of you determine your fate!” The alternative would be to say nothing and let that Black student’s trajectory be determined by the counselor who is basing his advice on stereotypes and preconceived notions. I want my future children to be proud Black (or part Black, or whatever) Americans who are citizens of the world. I want them to understand that racism and racial bias still exist (because they will) and I want them to be aware and confident enough to know how to handle the bias they are sure to confront one day.
andre lettsome
July 19, 2014 at 6:35 am (10 years ago)Why do we need others to hate us when we are so good at hating ourselves.
andre lettsome
July 19, 2014 at 6:11 am (10 years ago)This video underscores much of what is being discussed in this blog. An excerpted CNN story on North Africans and their disassociation with Africa. Sadly, as people we engage in this behavior to try and feel better about ourselves often at the expense of others. Identify the similarities between the dark-skinned individuals in the video, the pervasive skin bleaching, the diminished sense of self-identity and recognize the existence of the same in some of our Caribbean islands.
We can continue debating who is right or who is wrong, no different than the divide and conquer rule, or we can recognize that we a need to fortify our communities irrespective where we are from.
http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/07/18/global-racism-find-out-why-some-egyptian-arabs-refuse-to-identify-as-african-despite-living-on-the-continent/
xtc.875
July 19, 2014 at 3:02 am (10 years ago)This somewhat ties into my post the other day somewhere else entitled Tied Dog Mentality. Ever observe a once tied dog which may have also suffered abuse? Even now without the chai it may choose to stay where it is accustomed because of the psychological and/or physical scars of the past. It will not venture and enjoy freedom because it refuses to forget the past and the wrongs inflicted.
Charles Houston
August 1, 2014 at 6:28 pm (10 years ago)You are comparing Black Americans to tied dogs? You’re saying that Black Americans are holding themselves back because we “refuse to forget” certain “wrongs inflicted?” You speak as though these wrongs have stopped – as if the playing field were level for Blacks in this country. I encourage you to educate yourself. Alternatively, I encourage you to play in traffic.
Peter
July 16, 2014 at 4:03 pm (10 years ago)The article and the comments here have been really helpful for me! It is clear to me now that I and some other people who have grown up in the Caribbean and migrated to the US just do not understand the paradigms of some African-American people. We don’t deeply understand where some African-Americans are coming from. The main reason is that we don’t really listen to them.
But also, we’ve had different experiences than them. Most of us West Indians who are not “sent for” by family are invited into the U.S. by Americans, many of whom are white Americans. These Americans provide us with educations, jobs, and income. They justify, sponsor, and sign our immigration documents. They serve us at CVS, at Walmart, and at the bank with a level of care that we are not used to in the Caribbean. They befriend us, share with us, watch out for us, and take a genuine interest in our well-being. They want us to be in their schools, in their offices, in their homes, in their country. They treat us as individuals. So we don’t get why some African-Americans continue to call white people oppressors. They don’t oppress us. To us, they are more likely to be enablers, inspirers, and friends. We do not treat them as though they were their ancestors. We treat them as individuals too. That means that we avoid the ones who don’t like us. And we can’t understand why African-Americans just don’t do the same.
Likewise, some African-American people do not understand where Caribbean migrants are coming from. Of course they don’t, perhaps because they’re not us?? Perhaps some African-Americans have the opposite of our experiences. Perhaps, when they seek quality jobs and educations, they are turned away. Thus they don’t make the incomes some of us make. Maybe they find few whites are willing to sign anything for them. Perhaps when they go to CVS, to Walmart, or to the bank, they are often treated with suspicion. Perhaps whites do not easily befriend them, or share with them, or watch out for them. Perhaps whites generally do not want them in their schools, in their offices, in their home. Perhaps whites tend to treat them as stereotypes, and not as individuals. Perhaps they still see today’s whites as slavemasters, because some whites still see them as slaves.
I think some of the commenters see the author as suggesting that (a) the problem is all in some African-American people heads, and (b) if a person would just stop making race a problem, it would, at least for that person, cease to be a problem. Probably the author can see now why, at first blush, a person who is aware of current and historical U.S. events could be highly offended by that suggestion.
But I think Aidan is right in a very, very broad, philosophical sense. Problems and solutions lie within us. We define them. Other people can do evil, bad, and unfair things, of course. But we can always endeavor to positively influence our situation in some small way. West Indians who are truly, and I mean truly, desirous of and committed to improving the lives of people with racial hurts in the U.S. should first try to understand those people’s positions, and make sure their positions are thoroughly grasped, before these West Indians impart advice on how to be socially and economically successful in America. It is not easy to be successful in America, but many people–black, white, Hispanic, Asian, male, female, Jewish, Muslim, Catholic, gay, straight, transgender, American, foreign, conservative, liberal, short, tall etc–have figured out how to do it without hurting anyone. Their advice has got to be a good investment, no?
As an aside, I believe those commenters who are suggesting that many of the negative patterns in America today have institutional roots are totally correct. Immersion in social science will clear this up for anyone willing to invest the brainpower.
Kudos to Aidan for providing a new forum for this debate and kudos to all the commenters who have been able to transcend their emotions and communicate their opinions effectively.
Penny
January 8, 2016 at 1:09 am (9 years ago)Simply put. Those white “sponsors” you speak of, simply will not treat native-born blacks that well. Ever. The white people seem to feel that the “foreign” ones among the race they do indeed despise so much, are somehow smarter, more educated, and perhaps because you are immigrants, and here lies the clincher: easier to CONTROL vis-a-vis your immigrant status, than native-born American (Indians or) blacks. And I say that as an immigration lawyer (one of my many “hats,” that is).
Jermaine
July 16, 2014 at 6:36 am (10 years ago)Interesting take on racism in America. My parents are Jamaican, I am first generation American whether a person wants to ignore the racial tension in this country, it is that person’s choice. The African history in Argentina has been removed from their history due to the same passive attitude and indifference in their climate. In America, the “fore fathers” counted each African person 3/5 (60%) human until 1865 before the turn of the century. Emmett Till, a 14 year young black American child was killed for looking and whistling at a white woman in 1955. Patrick Ewing, NBA Hall of Famer and Jamaican descent, had bananas thrown at him while he played college basketball at Georgetown University from 1981-84. In 1998, James Byrd was hung and dragged by white racists in Texas. All of these egregious acts were the impetus of race.
Black is not a country I have ever heard of…do they speak English in Black? I refer to myself as African descent.
And yes while you might not understand the light skin dark skin issue, just understand a simple fact. Howard University was made for “mulatto” children (children of slave owners who had forced sex onto their slave women) to attend, while Hampton University was made for all the darker children. The light skin versus dark skin does not start nor stop there, but it does occur. Now that everyone in the media has an odd fascination with Lupita Nyong’o (12 Years A Slave actor), even she has created a hater named Denica, a singer, who was dark skin but in order to “save herself” she bleached her skin and looks like a totally different person (white). And neither of the two are from America and assimilated the destructive separation that America has created centuries ago.
Using race as an excuse to not excel is an ignorant choice just as not researching the history of a country who has implanted racial tension since its inception. Subtle racism or any form of discrimination will not be tolerated and generations after me should understand this. It is not an excuse to enhance oneself in life, however, race is a barrier by those who created it as well as those who are crippled by it. Why is America plagued by it…ask the lawmakers and start with the 13 Amendment.
Imran Robinson
July 14, 2014 at 8:34 am (10 years ago)Aidan Neal does not understand Racism/ White Spupremacy. Have you even studied the history of this country?
liana
July 12, 2014 at 12:58 pm (10 years ago)I think this article minimizes the impact of racism, institutionalize and open on African Americans… Keep in mind that the Civil rights act to use the same restroom, drink from the same water fountain was only passed in the sixties. I don’t doubt that some people are extremely heightened to what they perceive as treatment because of race, but I dare not lump all African Americans into the same category, everyone has their own experiences
William
July 12, 2014 at 12:11 pm (10 years ago)https://www.facebook.com/DrFarrahGray/photos/a.176272473351.150724.172659578351/10152550027093352/?type=1
Notice the point of Mr. Chang – It’s the Black Race, not African American, not Caribbean, Not African, it’s the Black Race with no distinction between Geography or Shade of Black.
Food for Thought!!!
“Dr. Farrah Gray
Asian Interviewer: “Can you address their concerns Mr.Chang?”
MR. CHANG: “The concerns of Black people? Yes I can. The fact is, that we all live under a system of White Supremacy. We Asian people look back at our long history of conflict with the European. We observe their strategies and develop our own, in response and in kind. There is no need for loud mass movements on our part, because we intend to overtake them in time, through action and personal sacrifice”.
Asian INTERVIEWER: “And the Black man?”
MR. CHANG: “He does not count into our situation. He is simply here. We do not hate the Black man. We just love the Asian man most. Real love–not cliche. We want to see Asian man happy, so we employ him. We eat together. We spend time with each other. We want his kids to be educated, so we invest in our own schools that offer our children the technical abilities to change the world’s power structure in our favor. We want to see the Asian man safe, so we purchase and organize our own communities. We want him to remain Asian, so we reduce the outside influence of others ideologies and cultures. While he fought to sniff behind the White man, the Black man has had the opportunity and every right in the world to do the same, but he chooses to indict people like me for not hiring him over my own brothers. For me to do this would be foolish and that would not be Asian love. In contrast, the Black man will fight for the right to be up under everyone else other than other Black people who he should feel the most love for. If our indifference to their situation make us racist, then what would you call the Black man’s indifference to his own situation?”
cliff
July 12, 2014 at 6:23 am (10 years ago)Where did you grow up in the Caribbean
Hu
July 9, 2014 at 4:34 pm (10 years ago)Charles you are on point as usual.I also think your post has inadvertently alluded to what might be the real crux of the matter. There seems to be a lot of marginalised groups in America (Black,Women,Gays etc). Each of these groups are fighting for recognition and privileges because they are not accommodated in “the man’s system”.Americans in general seem to have a radar for discrimination.To a Jamaican it seems as if Americans(both white and black) sue for everything.I have seen many other Caribbean nationals make comments on this article and refer to racism in their native country.I will only speak for Jamaicans when I say that although shadism,racism,classism,sexism and all sorts of other isms exist in Jamaica.The typical Jamaican does not walk around with these things in the back of his mind.So while it is true that the bank workers are normally light coloured and most of the money in the country is controlled by chinese,syrians, and whites it is the farthest thing from a Jamaicans mind that his race is what dictates how far he will go in life.The approach is different.The women in our country do not say that they wont get a particular job because they are a woman.And do not attribute how much they get pay to being a woman.Even if being a woman did in fact affect the details of their employment.We for the most part think we are all just as good as the other person (lol.if not better) and whatever happens in our life we do not attribute it to a ism.We just are determined in everything and keep trying until we get what we want.We do not segregate ourselves by shade and say somethings are brown skinned activities and others are dark skinned activities.While we are all aware that these things exist in the background and affect our lives,we just dont approach life like that.In Jamaica being marginalised seems to almost have the opposite effect.It kinda makes people work harder to go against the status quo and prove others wrong.In every marginalised situation in Jamaica there are people who are just breaking through.I think gays are marginalised more than anything in Jamaica.And now they are the ones taking over and controlling everything. If you have a male dominated industry in Jamaica you can bet that there is a woman president or executive at the top just showing everybody that it doesnt matter that I am a woman I am still just as good or better than you.Same with our athletes (Charles I know you will like this point).We are a very small nation and we are leaders in track and field compared to other big nations.That’s just how Jamaicans are.Telling us we cant do something is the wrong move because we are going to do it.Just to prove you wrong.So when we come to the U.S. it is hard for us to see all the discriminatory things that normal americans see.Are we perfect?hell no!WE over do ourselves with a ridiculously high crime rate and very corrupt government so our economy is crap.But you will never hear a Jamaican say that they cant or wont do something because of their race or if they come from uptown or downtown, or their gender, or whether they are gay or straight.You will see a madman(homeless person) on the street trying to call to a female exective in her suit and her benz.And you better believe that he thinks he can get her too.Call it naive and maybe thats what it is.But we choose to be oblivious to whatever obstacles you put in front of us and believe that at the end of the day we are responsible for our outcome.This is not to say that African Americans are wrong for being racially aware.Based on the comments by Charles and others who have posted I see that the effects of slavery are still fresh wounds for African Americans and definitely wont go away overnight.I am just explaining why Aidan and others like myself may not look at it the same way and why the way that we choose to approach things may be better (dont crucify me just giving food for thought) even if we do understand that racism is alive and well and not imaginary. As said before not trying to offend anyone.Just stating an alternate point of view.I am open to comments and hearing other points of view as well.
Rich Smith (@RichCSmith)
July 8, 2014 at 6:29 pm (10 years ago)Twenty-seven year old Caribbean-American male here. First and foremost, this article is rife with sweeping generalizations that in some ways, are just as bad as the points you’re trying to illustrate. Your assertions that African Americans inaccurately set the expectations of Black people that are new to America is missing a *lot* of context.
The Good:
1) I agree with the final section of your article that touches on the fact that your mindset determines a lot. If you enter a situation expecting the worst, in most cases, that’s all you will allow yourself to see. Your perceptions may be skewed in that direction, thus preventing you from taking an unbiased, subjective approach to the situation. This applies to all aspects of life, especially if you feel uncomfortable, insecure, or have the expectation that you will be disrespected or misrepresented.
2) Having been with women of differing races and ethnicities (Egyptian, Dominican, African American, Colombian, Irish-Italian), I have been subject to many situations where other Black people (not just African Americans, but African and Caribbean people as well) have made their disapproval very public. Black women have accused the women I’ve been with of “stealing away a good brother” and I’ve been accused of “not being able to handle a Black woman.” That, to me, seems like we’re moving in the opposite direction and it’s frustrating, to say the least. I could write an essay on this subject alone, but that’s not the point I’m trying to make here.
3) I have come across *some* African Americans that allow themselves to be held back by this notion that White people want nothing more than to do us harm. It’s very disappointing. Media outlets such as BET, and organizations such as (dare I say) the NAACP do nothing but help to further perpetuate the segregation that existed here in America NOT EVEN half a century ago. I’ve seen and heard many African Americans blame their circumstances on a ton of other factors and in some cases, access to things and opportunities are absolutely affected by socioeconomic factors, but if you allow yourself to believe that it’s everyone else’s fault for your circumstances, then you also believe that it’s entirely up to them to change it. Not cool.
If you’ve been following your news, the owner of the Los Angeles Clippers (Donald Sterling) is an overtly racist billionaire that had a Black mistress and had received multiple awards from the NAACP in the past. To boot, they were prepared to present him with another one around the time all of his racist ways were made public (by the mistress). Ridiculous? Absolutely. Hypocritical? You bet, but that still doesn’t represent the whole, which brings me to my next few points.
The Bad:
1) Not all African-Americans are the way you portray them to be in this article. I’m not sure what your site traffic is like, who your largest demographic is, or how long you’ve been doing this, but – shame on you. That’s no better than what you’re accusing us ALL of being like.
2) Despite born and raised in America, most times, I don’t even realize I might be the only “black guy” in a room, in a restaurant, or even at a company – until either something happens that reminds me, or until someone specifically references something about my race or ethnicity. To your point about “letting it come to you,” that’s how I live my life for the most part, but there are times where I have heightened awareness of my situation based on my past experiences regarding racism – of which, you admittedly have none. That said, it’s unfair and naive for you to make the points you have throughout your article.
3) All things considered, your message would have been much better received if you had compared your life in the Caribbean to your life now in America, and sought to understand the stance taken by the African Americans you’ve come across instead of being so quick to judge and taking a holier-than-thou tone in your writing. You said, “It appears that Black Americans have been so grossly affected by racism that they almost lay-wait offensive behavior.” Seeking understanding will allow you to more easily build cultural bridges and greatly increase your level of influence among them, *especially* through such a vessel as a well-read blog. Here, you’re creating more of a divide and ostracizing yourself from the very demographic you’re seemingly trying to enlighten. It’s equally interesting and baffling to me that you would go to such great lengths to illustrate your ignorance of the history of racial tensions here in the United States, then make assertions based on that very ignorance and present them as fact.
Lastly, please do a better job of proofreading your articles, or ask someone to edit them for you. I was often side-tracked by your grammar and it can diminish your credibility, which is obviously not what you want to do. I noticed that you quipped, “I’m not sure your use of the word anachronism is appropriate,” to a previous commenter, but I counted several errors in your article – including an obvious misuse of the word “affiliated.”
Moral of the story: don’t be so quick to judge.
andre lettsome
July 19, 2014 at 6:56 am (10 years ago)What do you propose in place Of the NAACP and how do you propose to counter racism. Would like to know your thoughts.
DesieTee
July 11, 2015 at 1:01 pm (9 years ago)This was good and honest article about a conversation that needs to take place. First, I cant believe how respectful everyone has been .. it’s quite refreshing!! I am Jamaican & I have African friends from the continent who also have the same issues Aidan does and privately declare their frustrations with African Americans and the fatalistic approach they have to living in their own society. Like me they share how they relate more to Caribbean Blacks. We have decided that we are not oblivious to subtle racism and while recognising the existence of white supremacy, why spend your whole life looking for it and thus be bitter & unhappy? If it confronts you, yes, it will be a good time to fight it but until then, we appreciate the fact that because of Black Americans and even Jamaica’s own Marcus Garvey, Caribbean Blacks and Africans from the continent can afford to peacefully co- exist with White Americans to a great extent and reap the benefits of pursuing our dreams in an imperfect but truly great America. Disclosure: I no longer live in the US … Finally, like Rich Smith, I, too, was a bit sidetracked by the grammar, e.g. lay-wait (should be “waylay” or better “lie in wait for”) affiliated was another & perpetuated (at times should be perpetrated).
InMyOwn Words
July 8, 2014 at 1:50 pm (10 years ago)What I have learnt from all my years of traveling is never ever listen to negative people because misery loves company and there are people out there who want you to conform to their limited outlook on life and I say to hell with them! Keep an open mind and form your own opinions of everyone, don’t just climb into a bucket because the people around you are also in that bucket… Not because they are uncomfortable with a situation means you should also be uncomfortable… Be your own person… DO NOT CONFORM… to these people limited and pathetic existence, they are NOT relevant… We all have a very limited time on this planet so do not waste it listening to these muppets!!! Write what you want to write, state your own opinions and take on life and if they do not like it THEN SO WHAT!!
Tracy
July 7, 2014 at 11:07 pm (10 years ago)This article in a slap in the face of our ancestors (African Americans, Caribbean & Africans in the Diaspora). The oppressed is now the oppressor! How dare you discount the history and experience of a people, whom I must say paved the way for you a person of Caribbean background! Please educate yourself and use your platform responsibly…. From a Black Caribbean woman
Vladimir Lucien
July 7, 2014 at 1:14 pm (10 years ago)What an anachronism! This should’ve been written in the 1800s. And that still would not guarantee it relevance.
Aidan Neal
July 7, 2014 at 5:18 pm (10 years ago)I’m not sure your use of the word of anachronism is appropriate.
As this post would most definitely not have been appropriate anytime outside of when it’s been written(the present) or in a less racially divided time in the future. Racism in the 1800s cannot begin to compare to the racism of today, so no, the article should not have been written in the 1800s and would have been grotesquely irrelevant then.
That said, while I maintain all that I have previously expressed, I must commend the highly intellectual rebuttals the article has received. The way in which ‘most every comment has commanded the attention of both myself and many others is profound. Any medium which stirs up a debate in which people can choose to be outraged without every being disrespectful is worthy of commendation.
Jara Bon
July 6, 2014 at 11:00 pm (10 years ago)This article gives a very inaccurate, and glorified picture of the caribbean. Are you kidding me? I grew up in Trinidad where the saying was “if you aint red you dead”. While I agree that Black Americans are too focused on racism and the color issue, this does not mean by any stretch of the imagination that racism (actually colorism) does not exist in the west indies. You say that you did not realize your friend was caucasian; I can assure you that the caucasians in the west indies (and I have lived in 3 islands) are very aware that you are black. They belong to clubs where you will not be welcome. So take those rose colored shades off, they are altering reality for you. There is something else in your writing that leads me to believe that you are extremely naive. You say that african americans need people who look like them to feel connected and use the SNL example. But the reality is that white americans feel this way too. This is why, until people speak up and take notice of the dearth of people of color, almost all mainstream dramas and comedies have been almost all-white. If you’ve lived in the US in the ninetees you’d know that casts were all white for all the prime time shows. Why? Because this is what mainstream america related to, and hollywood never considered non-whites to be mainstream. That is changing, america is evolving, and part of that evolution has been american people of color (and not just blacks) speaking up about being represented, because it is a natural thing to want to see people like you. This is one more reason why I think your blog on an interesting and complex topic is rather simplistic. You get a pass if you are under 30 years old and/or if you have lived in the US for under eight years; otherwise you really need to get out there.
Andre
July 6, 2014 at 7:29 pm (10 years ago)This is an ignorant, ahistorical article! There A LOT of racism in the Caribbean (I grew up hearing that “anyting black nuh good” and seeing boys running behind the skirt tail of light-skinned girls with “pretty” hair. Not to mention the fact that non-African Jamaicans have substantially more wealth than African Jamaicans. The difference between African Americans and Afro-Caribbeans is that the former have a greater consciousness of their history and suffering, and they, more than we, attempt to challenge the structure of white privilege. But black people in the Caribbean are so enslaved that they will sooner complain that all African Americans talk about is race rather than pick up a book on say mass incarceration, or residential segregation, or the War on Drugs, or income inequality or the current efforts of the Tea Party to disenfranchise black voters. Willy Lynch couldn’t be prouder!
If you’re going to form an opinion on race relations in the US, it might suit you to actually try to understand the history of race relations in the US. Having lived in different countries myself, I’ve learnt to ask questions and to read(!) before I make ignorant comments based on my own alien education. There is not one thing that you said in the article that shows any sort of appreciation for America’s history or contemporary social problems–only anecdotes and unfounded impressions. And it’s been a very consistent attitude of Caribbean people who go to the US and seek to ‘distinguish’ themselves from black Americans through this awful racial oneupmanship (I’ve heard it before and quite often). But not only is that attitude often ignorant of social problems that African Americans face, it also misrepresents the reality of the Caribbean. While many Caribbean people who go to study in the US are relatively privileged when compared to black Americans, they forget that all the cultural tropes that are thrusted upon black people in the US about being lazy and unwilling to work are doubly reinforced in countries like Jamaica. We have even less education and more social ills than black Americans. So we, more than anyone, should understand what it is like to live in a society that is in effect a caste system for the few. And pointing that out is a form of radical consciousness, not an effort to find an excuse for hard work or some crap like that. Stop setting us back, woman!
Angela Raeburn
August 19, 2015 at 2:37 am (9 years ago)Thank you Andre. Lawd! This woman article was so simplistic that I had calm myself. I too grew up in the Caribbean – a Trinbagonian and yes we love light skinned people and whites in Trini. What I hated most about this article was her relative ignorance of the African American experience. If my parents had migrated to the America ( where blacks had not fought and died) we would have migrated to Jim Crow. Thank God that black people in this country stood up against the hate, the dogs, the hoses, the beat-downs, the lynchings, the disenfranchisement – to allow us Caribbean people to come here and be openly disdainful and smug about their struggle. Of course Caribbean people who come here are more privileged than black Americans but they are also more privileged than Caribbean people left at home as well. Not everyone comes here. Many people who come here especially to go to college – many have money!!!
I have been to Jamaica where they Love “the browning”; Trinidadian love red bones with “nice hair…we are so color struck in the Caribbean that I had to read her article twice because I could not figure out what Caribbean she talking about. Not my Trinidad and Tobago where bank employees were light skinned – I think we called them “coco payol”. Man this article.
Antonio Davis
July 5, 2014 at 5:13 pm (10 years ago)Exactly
Denise Mitchell
July 5, 2014 at 3:49 am (10 years ago)The African in the US is not a voluntary immigrant but a descendant of slaves so our expectations from our “homeland” is very different from any immigrants’ expectations. We’ve been affected by centuries of cultural and economic racism. Look at the economic indicators for blacks and whites. You can’t just blame the victims and say “just shake it off.” The opportunities the immigrant is seeking have systematically been withheld from the majority of African Americans and we recognize it is based on race.
Jazmine
July 4, 2014 at 6:20 pm (10 years ago)Thank you!!!
Chene
July 4, 2014 at 12:50 pm (10 years ago)Is not the Caribbean nationals don’t understand America racism because it affects them equally as any person who is “black”. They just understand American racism through the Caribbean lens which is a different type of racism. Racism exist in the Caribbean just like in the US, the only difference is the way it is dicussed which on the surface makes it seem as it is different from American racism. For example, the color and class issue in the caribbean is very much a conversation of racism.
B.R.
July 4, 2014 at 5:08 am (10 years ago)Excellent points Andre. Anyone who is not white is going to suffer from the problem of white supremacy. The author seems to forget that Native Americans (they are doing worst off than African Americans btw), Australian Aboriginals (the black people of Australia) all suffer from the problem. If you dont understand white supremacy, you will be confused. Try to understand it people.
sc
July 4, 2014 at 5:16 am (10 years ago)awesome documentary by PBS is Black in South America – phenomenal
sc
July 4, 2014 at 5:00 am (10 years ago)Wow – such varying views … I am “white” Jamaican married to an African American and we live in the South! I think one of the main points I identify with in this article is migrating to the USA brought a sense of separatism I never had in Jamaica. Now before someone says anything to me please note, I have lived in Trench Town and Cherry Gardens so I was not separated by wealth to get the privileges often associated with light skinned Jamaicans. I did go through an identity crisis here and am still after 20 years asked regularly “What are you?” “Do you have any black in you then you are all black!” Married to an African American I understand and SEE the differences towards him and towards me for being married to him. I don’t think the article claims to deny those truths, I think it aims to bring to the forefront that there is a culture shock, confusion, adjustment that takes place when you are now being hen pecked by people and forms to define yourself based on your color rather than your name. I get it. I understand it. It is real and we have been the recipients of racism but I will never submit to it and though I live in America I will not be defined by it. So when they say what are you I say I am a Jamaican. When they press further I say, I have a Chinese Jewish Mother and an African Scottish-Jew father – they say “you are black” I say “No”, I’m actually more pink!
sc
July 4, 2014 at 5:15 am (10 years ago)by saying I am more pink is intended to create dialogue and not to deny my “blackness” (I know how this works) so for the record – I am very proud of all of my heritage – I know which country and tribe in Africa my lineage is from and how we got to Jamaica just as I know which clan in China and which tribe in Israel. But I do define myself on the forms as other as I see myself as them all and check all the boxes save hispanic …
Aidan Neal
July 4, 2014 at 5:22 am (10 years ago)I believe most of us got the “pink”. I rather enjoyed it. However, given the dialogue I completely understand why you felt compelled to make this addition.
Andre Lettsome
July 4, 2014 at 4:01 am (10 years ago)I read your piece and ruminated for a while before rendering a response. It is highly sad how you have trivialized the African American experience while trying to hold yourself eminent with your myopic analysis. As a fellow Caribbean national, I get it, so you don’t speak on my behalf. What you fail to give credence to are the multiple dynamics that are present in the American society. I reflect on a Toni Morrison interview with Charlie Rose, circa 1993, where she said if your strength is predicated on me being on my knees, then you have a problem. It is interesting how many of us Caribbean folk migrate to this land, enjoy the spoils and benefits accrued from the many years of the African American toil and struggle, and do so with great condescension. Race has always informed and continues to inform the African experience whether it be on the continent or the diaspora.
You need look no further than our beloved Caribbean where Hispaniola is segregated along racial lines, Haiti being predominantly black and Dominican Republic with a large White Hispanic population. Recently, Dominican Republic nationals with Haitian ancestry had their citizenship revoked prompting outcries of racism. Puerto Rico too has a black marginalized population that is not privileged to enjoy the benefits of the white dominant class. Unbeknownst to many individuals, Brazil which has the largest African population outside of Africa is plagued by the same woes. Recently, Brazil’s president Dilma Rousseff instituted her brand of affirmative action to afford blacks a share of the country’s burgeoning economy, a benefit previously denied. So how does this problem become uniquely African American’s.
I am almost certain you matured in a predominantly black environment where the deleterious effects of racism were far removed from your experience; where elected officials; the control of the media; and most professionals where a mirror of who you are. So why do you think the situations would be analogous? Even in our predominantly black Caribbean environments, whites still control the upper echelon of the management structure in private industry. As is often the case we gravitate to white owned establishments as being representative of excellence while eschewing black-owned ones as sub-par. What accounts for this ideology? Is this not part of the socialization to which we have been subjected, which race also informs. As the World Cup games continue to be played out in Brazil, recent headlines about soccer’s racial conundrum has marred the game, where multiple black players have been accosted. This underscores how race even in sports, has a profound presence.
A recent report has highlighted the discrepancy between black-college-grad employment and that of his white counterpart, where blacks lag by at least 10%. Dr. David Williams, Trinidad born-and-raised, Harvard Professor spoke on the disparities in employment where a white college graduate with a criminal record had a greater opportunity of landing a job than a black college graduate with no criminal record. This was derived from empirical data. In your acknowledgement of racism you cited instances where you were supposedly a victim, but these were often overt. Racism as often is the case is no longer overt, but has been become a covert exercise, and in some cases subconscious because of the myriad of racial cues that have communicated over generations, hence the term “institutionalized”. Just remember we don’t control the media. If we were to accept the media’s version of events we would believe that all black men are criminals and only white women go missing, black people are predisposed to shoplifting and theft and white people are only engaged in philanthropic endeavors. If you had control of the media which version of a story would you tell one flattering to persons you have maligned or one that further maligns them.
My hope is that you critically analyze the source of of your beliefs and understand the obvious differences between your experiences and an African American’s. Recognize this fight is all ours. Until we are able to control our destiny through economic empowerment, and control of our imagery and our story, our progress will forever be retarded. With empathy a truer understanding can be had because our lives are intricately intertwined. Our situations don’t have the be the same for you to understand their unique experience, that is what humanity affords us.
Empathize, then, and only then, will you get it.
TG
July 4, 2014 at 4:34 am (10 years ago)Thank you.
char
July 13, 2014 at 5:19 pm (10 years ago)I am from the caribbean now living in the united states and I know better now the things that i had failed to know before i arrived here. This article exhibits ignorance and there was a time i shared the same views as the author. Honestly I am ashame now.
Jasmin
July 4, 2014 at 3:04 am (10 years ago)I couldn’t disagree with this article more. As an African American, I can say that this article is highly inaccurate and offensive. I will begin by asking you to remember that you’re in this country because of a long list of African Americans who paved the way for you. You have black skin. That means much more in this country than it may in yours. Also you can’t compare “white” neighborhoods because there’s much more white people in America than in the Carribeans. That isn’t a fair comparison. Furthermore, you are warned of the truth when you come here because there is such a thing of institutionalized racism that will target you because of your color and your neighborhood. We do it out love and because we want all of us to succeed but to not be blind. Also it is easier for you to ask us to forget our past. One, your past wasn’t exactly like ours. You know more of your history than we do because your history wasn’t stripped from you like ours was from the people that we continue to live with in this country. You have to take a step back and recognize our history with sympathy and love rather than such an “I’m better than African Americans” attitude that I’ve seen Carribbeans have so many times. You can sit in a classroom with white people because African Americans fought for us to be able to. Remember that.
B.R.
July 4, 2014 at 3:34 am (10 years ago)Hey Jasmin, to be fair, I dont think the author was trying to bash African Americans. I agree that the author does not give an accurate assessment of how white supremacy functions in the US (the extremes with the history of lynchings, segregation, ghetto living) and the Caribbean (it is more subtle but England was profiting from colonialism big time). Also, the author does not understand that the positions of African Americans in the USA is the exact same problem that Jamaicans, Trinidadians and other West Indians have when they go to London and other places in England since they are the main black group, they suffer from the British racism as well.
I think the author was trying to say that racism should not be used as an excuse for the self defeating and fatalistic attitudes that some African Americans have towards life in the American society.
B.R.
July 4, 2014 at 1:15 am (10 years ago)Hello Aidan Neal,
I enjoyed reading your posting. Like yourself, I am also of Afro Caribbean heritage (family is from Trinidad and Tobago) and I grew up in New York City. I think your article is a bit naive but I think I do understand the main message of your posting.
1)The Caribbean is no racial utopia. The Caribbean did not not suffer from the extremes of white supremacy like South Africa, the American South, or the Congo but until 1962, my ancestral homeland of Trinidad and Jamaica (your homeland if im not mistaken), was under British rule. I dont know about you but colonialism was not a good thing as even though blacks formed the majority most of the high positions were held by Europeans. Even today, alot of Caribbean countries are dominated economically by their former rulers (e.g. England, etc.)
2) The irony of West Indians in the U.S. when they talk about African Americans is that had they moved to Britain instead they would be in the same position as American Negroes. In Britian, the black community is majority composed of Caribbeans (some Africans). And guess what, the things that affect Black America also affect Black Britian(e.g. high unemployment,high incarceration rates for black males, police brutality, inner city living, etc.). So with your logic, the Jamaicans, Bajans, Trinidadians and other West Indians that move to London or Manchester instead of New York or Miami are looking for racism at every corner? Really, that makes no sense.
3) If I am not mistaken you stated you grew up in Miami, a diverse multicultural city. I am from New York, which is one of, if not, the most diverse, International, modern cities in human history. Guess what, New York is one of the most segeregated cities by race in America . The middle class West Indians live with the American Negroes in the ghettos (e.g. Bedford Stuyvesant, Brownsville, East New York, etc.). If West Indians are so colorblind as you proclaim, how come they rarely live in the mostly white sections of NYC like Staten Island, an area known for racial issues.
Nevertheless, I do understand your point of view in regards to using race as a item for failure. I do believe that some African Americans harm their life chances (e.g. joining gangs, selling drugs, etc.) and then blame it on racism. I think that us Caribbean people don’t share that extreme fatalism that some American Negroes have that the entire world is against them. As a young black man who is college educated and a health professional, I can say that despite America’s racial problems, I am doing okay.
Basically Aidan Neal, I enjoyed your post and I hope you appreciate the comments from a fellow young(I am in my 20’s) Afro Caribbean living in the States. The flaw with your article is that it is a bit too naive, utopian and missing points that affect all black people (Caribbean or otherwise). However, I liked your point about overcoming problems like racism to live a more productive life. Hope you enjoyed my two cents.
TG
July 4, 2014 at 3:00 am (10 years ago)I enjoyed reading your two cents. Just FYI. The term Negro implies black inferiority and became taboo in the 1960’s.
B.R.
July 4, 2014 at 3:08 am (10 years ago)Thanks TG for the heads up about the linguistics. Some Trinidadians still use the word Negro, so my mistake.
TG
July 4, 2014 at 3:11 am (10 years ago)No problem. Peace
queen
July 3, 2014 at 11:10 pm (10 years ago)It’s obvious that this girl is very naive and need too learn more of her history. Its wonderful that you didn’t experience racism, but are still responsible as a black woman to try to change the future for our children. Ignoring the problem that blacks endured in the world today won’t make it go Away. Your criticizing African American for always being aware of racism or looking for it, believe you don’t have to wait to long or even go far away to notice it. You need to thank African Americans for fighting for equal rights that made it easier for you to come and live and make money so you can send money and food home to your family. Blacks went through alot, so how dare you criticize us.
MB
April 6, 2016 at 5:56 am (9 years ago)@queen…agreed! Some of my fellow Caribbean people DID help with the fight for civil rights, but in America, it was mostly the Black Americans who really tried to make things better.
The Caribbean people in my family who criticize African Americans harshly are in denial that they can also encounter racism.
They feel that being Jamaican means they are somehow immune to racism in America. And more disturbing is that they often say things like “slavery is over” and “if you work hard, nothing bad can happen to you”.
I’m tired of hearing those things because it denies the reality of racism and it is also just another way to belittle our African American counterparts, when we should all be working to uplift one another.
Craig
July 3, 2014 at 9:30 pm (10 years ago)Though well written, the writer seems to show a certain level of naiveté.
The writer would do well to disabuse him/herself of the notion of (Caribbean nationals being unaware of racism). The fact is, in the Caribbean class-ism and economic segregation do not allow the option for race to become a driving social factor. Most people in the islands “know their place” and are only allowed to venture out if they make the economic bar. It becomes painfully more obvious in the US simply due to the mix of the lower and middle class in most social circumstances, in my opinion it may well be said the racial segregation in the Caribbean is immediately tied to economic existence, where it is an unannounced fact that “blacks” should not live in certain neighborhoods or hold certain jobs unless they meet some other bar.
Racial discrimination, though not spoken out against as vocally in the Caribbean as in the US, is an even greater issue as the makeup of Caribbean society itself is set to separate the poorer class (the blacks) from the other social tiers. This is practiced in every facet of Caribbean life, from shopping – housing – schooling – to even the political makeup. I will not even mention that in most island we are still pushed into a model of servitude where the majority of islands push most of their populations into working in hotels
(I do not need to explain the mental imagery here).
Again well written article, just not factually sound.
Davis
July 3, 2014 at 8:47 pm (10 years ago)I think Caribbean’s on the whole are extremely unaware as to the role of race, but yet so many Caribbean Prime Minister’s are white despite white people being a huge minority, if you want a good job in the Caribbean you had better be fair skinned. Yet everyone is supposedly colour blind.
Charles Houston
July 3, 2014 at 8:46 pm (10 years ago)I have been as fascinated by the comments as the article. I hope that the author has been exposed to perspectives and opinions that she may not have previously considered. I’m quite sure that those who’ve read the comments have gained perspective – I know I have. The author asks how it is helpful for her (and presumably other Caribbean nationals) to be warned that they will face obstacles in this country based on their race? I’ll answer with another perhaps overly simplistic analogy based on running (you can guess my hobby). If you’re going out for a run, wouldn’t you want to know if you’re running on a level track vs. a trail with hills, rocks, hidden tree roots and switchbacks? Wouldn’t that serve to make you better informed about which shoes and/or pace might be most appropriate? And I’m not telling you you can’t complete the course (obvious point: never let anybody else tell you what you can and can’t do), I’m just pointing out that the social and professional path in this country is littered with obstacles and hazards that you may never have encountered on the smooth, non-racial, track in your native land. I want you to know about these uniquely American obstacles so you don’t fall and break your leg as others before you have done. I want you to know about these obstacles because I ultimately want you to succeed. Warning you about the overt and covert racism of America is like pointing out the hidden rocks and tree roots on the trail. Let me switch gears here in the event my clumsy running trail analogy doesn’t strike the proper chord…I hear there is something called “sexism” in the workplace. Well, my sister – er, sibling – and I were raised not to see gender. When we were kids, I noticed that some of my friends wore swimsuits that had tops and others didn’t. I wish people would stop telling her that women make roughly .83 for every dollar men earn in this country. I wish they’d stop telling her that because it teaches her to expect disparate treatment or that she is somehow lesser than men. Besides, it’s just .17 per dollar so what’s the big deal? If you ask me, I’d say that a lot of women just don’t work as hard as men and that explains the pay difference. Maybe if they worked harder and stopped complaining so much to each other about gender inequity they’d get ahead faster. Now that women and men are legally considered to be equal in the workplace according to the US Supreme Court (it’s been decades!!), can’t you just be satisfied with that? My male colleagues and I never think about gender and frankly I think it’s better that way because then nobody gets to use their gender as a crutch. I’ll admit that on the rare occasion I do think about it, I remember that my female colleagues often leave a little early to pick up their kids while I stay at work so a little pay disparity is probably in order, right? After all, I’m still working while they’re at home with their families. Stop worrying so much about what you don’t have or what I do have and rejoice in the .83 you’re being allowed to earn for every dollar I make. And for heaven’s sake, stop wondering (aloud or otherwise) if the reason Mike got the promotion instead of you has anything to do with gender. Can’t you just blindly accept that Mike is better for the job because he’s better qualified and is more personable (and because he’s a much better golfer and therefore gels in better with the team). I mean, you can find sexism everywhere if you look for it but why must you go looking for it? I’ve had enough estrogen-baiting from you women in the workplace. Women’s lib is so 1960’s so why are you worrying about Mike’s bigger office, heftier paycheck and company-sponsored membership at the men-only country club when you should be focusing instead on bettering yourself in the workplace? Understand that your (male) boss is being practical – NOT sexist – when he says he won’t provide new moms a place to pump and instead suggests you just go sit in your car and do it. I mean, your car has AC and tinted windows – you can even use a blanket from the company picnic if you want. And above all else, if you should ever learn beyond any doubt that your company values women less than men, DO NOT warn your friends who are thinking about coming to work there. It’ll only taint their ability to achieve within that company. Don’t tell them it’s an uphill climb for women. Instead, tell them everything’s fine, don’t mention the fact that your male colleagues make .17 more on the dollar or that you have to pump in your car. Just tell them they should put their heads down, work hard and have faith that Mike will come to his senses, stop promoting his golf buddies over you, and realize that we ought to live in a gender-neutral society where we’re judged solely on our numbers and not our gender. And at that point in time, you will rise to the level of being Mike’s equal. Simply put: don’t show ‘em where the rocks are, just let them stumble. Ms. Neal, I can’t speak for all Black Americans any more than you can speak for all people of Caribbean descent, but I can tell you that we’re all in this together. You’ve raised a lot of people’s awareness and understanding. I understand my beautiful Jamaican-American girlfriend’s views on race a lot better now than I did before. Thanks to you for initiating such an inspired and lively discussion, and thanks to all who’ve provided thoughtful comments designed to foster and build understanding rather than drive a wedge between people of the same ancestry.
Ekeama
July 5, 2014 at 6:01 pm (10 years ago)Thank you Charles. Very appros analogies!
jc
July 3, 2014 at 8:38 pm (10 years ago)“Perhaps I am naive”
At a minimum.
I’m surprised (not completely) you didn’t discuss the history of WHY African Americans may have a deeper connection and understanding of racism in this country. American blacks only won the right to vote in 1965…and unfortunately there are Jim Crow-styled laws that prevent American blacks (especially poor ones) from voting TO THIS DAY.
Realtors “red lining” areas signifying where they would and would not sell housing, the MULTIPLE accounts of police brutality across the country…the list of discriminatory tactics that those in power have enacted on American blacks is long, and unfortunately, current.
I’m so thankful for some of the comments here and the people who have a wider understanding of racism in America
Deshon
July 3, 2014 at 8:21 pm (10 years ago)Interesting article Aidan…I relate to much of what you wrote haven grown up in the Bahamas and being somewhat oblivious to racial tensions until leaving home to study in the US….you might enjoy my blogs…the blog entitled “What is Racism” posted in May 1, 2014 may be of particular interest…I also discuss the topic of race (in a much broader sense) in a book I published entitled “The Middle Theory”.
Omar Johnson
July 3, 2014 at 5:04 pm (10 years ago)Hey everyone. First of all I am very happy that I had to scroll quite far down the page to find this comments box. It means that a lot of people are reading this, thinking about it and contributing to it.
Before I begin my small addition to this lovely dialog I would like to spare a thought for the people of this world who still suffer slavery and oppression regardless of ethnicity.
I am mixed ethnicity. From the Bahamas and grew up in a predominantly Black country (not african-caribbean, just Black).
Growing up I had friends from all backgrounds and felt truly blessed because of it. I happen to agree with many of the Americans who are posting on this page in regards to the prejudice they experience in their country. It is such a beautiful place but is tainted by the stupidity of many.
But people are missing the point of what the author is trying to convey. She is explaining the way Caribbeans in america see the black “struggle”. She is explaining our background to give context to why we don’t relate to this ” struggle” and lastly she is trying to explain that for black Americans to truly find their zen they have the shed the baggage of prejudice that weighs on their shoulders.
I find it sadly amusing that black Americans constantly talk about their racial suffering as if they are the only people in this world who are suffering. The Bahamas had a cotton slave trade much the same as the US and we now walk hand in hand without these prejudices. Whenever I see negativity around myself and I feel that I will react to it. I consider the people who have it far worse. The Syrians, the Congolese, Nigerians, south Africans.
I don’t ever expect anyone to forget the path they have traveled. But I would love to see us look at the path we will take with pride and a sense of adventure rather than underlying pessimism.
Rich
July 3, 2014 at 3:18 pm (10 years ago)I confess I haven’t read all the comments, but I do find the article itself a bit disturbing. I split my childhood between the US and Jamaica, and found racism there similar to here. While black people were by no means the minority, the people who had the money, influence, titles were disproportionately people of lighter hues, whether they be white, asian or other. Key positions at banks etc. were filled with lighter skinned people as well. Believing that in the caribbean people didn’t really pay attention to race at best sounds like selective amnesia, at worst, smacks of duplicity. Words like Coolie, and Chinee, and Missa Chin, etc. were regularly heard, as were comments about who has pretty hair or who was too black. You may call this colorism, but don’t fool yourself into believing racism and colorism are different beasts. they are merely two branches off the same tree. Why are young girls bleaching? Because in their minds there is something beautiful… something beneficial to be had from being as close to white as possible. In essence, all I’m trying to say is that you may want to put a little more thought into coming here and assuming the right to criticize African-Americans through your very narrow lens of experience.
Debb
July 3, 2014 at 3:03 pm (10 years ago)my thoughts and feelings exactly Aidan, as a Black Caribbean woman living in mostly all white town running a business with no black clients,, this is the challenged I am faced with almost every day. I have to defend who I am as a black caribbean woman verses a black American. I honestly understand their struggles but maybe is my ignorance of not being raised in this country,,, I was a virgin to this whole racism issue when I arrived in America,, I don’t see color , i see when someone is being ignorant and stupid and full of prejudice..,, maybe it’s a caribbean thing?
Antonio Davis
July 5, 2014 at 5:11 pm (10 years ago)In america your a African American in there eyes and deep inside you know that’s how “they” feel
Michelle
July 3, 2014 at 2:42 pm (10 years ago)Aidan, I must say this echoes my sentiments exactly. I have 2 kids and I tell them a role model can be any colour, race, shape, size, form – once it’s a role model. You don’t need to have a black president/prime minister to aspire to become one. Be the first then!! If we all try to be the first at everything we claim black people are not then certainly there will be so many firsts that we will have solved all this nonsense. Who cares what colour my/their skin is? To me, everyone is a person and is equal in my sight no matter how white/black or rich/poor. Maybe if you all think like this then it wouldn’t matter when faced with racism. And frankly speaking, black people are the most racist people on the face of the earth. Yes, I am black!
TG
July 3, 2014 at 11:42 pm (10 years ago)A black idiot!
TG
July 3, 2014 at 11:53 pm (10 years ago)Ok. I take that back. you’re not an idiot. But please I’m offended by your comment that black people are the most racist people on the face of the earth! Is this how you feel about yourself?? Because you’re black too!! If you feel black people are the most racist, then you’re whole role model paragraph contradicts itself. Are not your children of your own making? Are you not then implying Ms. Role Model that your children are amongst the most racist? You remind me of a certain types of women. Women who tell their children bad things about their father; things that have nothing to do with them. How is this going to help your children’s Self- esteem?
queen
July 4, 2014 at 7:57 pm (10 years ago)Thank you!!
Antonio Davis
July 5, 2014 at 5:08 pm (10 years ago)Well apparently everyone doesn’t think like you…what a surprise if only it was that simple
Diamond
July 3, 2014 at 2:35 pm (10 years ago)This will only affect people with low self esteem and insecure.. Those people could talk all they want in my head, It’s your choice to realize that even as a caribbean person you have a life they see as a “vacation.” and you are just as special despite your colour. After all, their very own president is black, they best be closing their mouths.
Fredreika
July 3, 2014 at 2:04 pm (10 years ago)I am from the Caribbean. Educated in the USA (Maine & Florida) and there are many similarities I experienced. I feel bad for African Americans (some) because they must have been really scarred by slavery. We west Indians do not focus on race as much as we focus on skin color (light vs dark). I too find too often they use race as an excuse. I do recall at USF there was a talk show and the KKK was being featured. We Caribbean students totally ignored the event, went about our way. I was shocked at the amount of African Americans who attended the show with placards, etc. They were all upset and quarrelling. I was thinking…. How stupid!!!! There were hardly any whites at the show but the place was full of African Americans. SMH. I was happily in my dorm room studying.
Angela Raeburn
August 19, 2015 at 2:55 am (9 years ago)Well I am glad the black kids protested – as their ancestors protested before them. If their ancestors did not protest you would not have had the right to go to USF. It was protests that opened the door for you to go to class oblivious.
MB
April 6, 2016 at 6:13 am (9 years ago)@Fredreika…but doesn’t the focus on skin color partly stem from racism? “We West Indians” (as you put it) are not immune to racism as much as we would like to believe.
Also, while some African Americans DO use race as an excuse, many of them do not. Protesting can be a very powerful tool against discrimination as long as it’s done peacefully.
I’m with Angela Raeburn. You were able to enjoy your college education because it was African Americans in the past who protested against racism, thus helping you to be where you are.
LMR
July 3, 2014 at 1:53 pm (10 years ago)As I am reading through the comments on this post there’s something that doesn’t sit well with me. People keep saying (and inferred in the article) that in the Caribbean we don’t care about the color of our skin. If this is the case, please explain the growing skin-lightening (whitening) practice in the Caribbean, especially in Jamaica. I’ve been in several conversations with Jamaicans (one of them bathes in bleach) where they’ve made statements about not letting their skin get too dark or having to try to get lighter. You say that skin color categorization is non-existent in Jamaica but I would argue differently. Based on my own research, I’ve learned that there are stigmas placed on dark-skinned Jamaicans which explains the hype behind having lighter skin in Jamaica. This phenomenon applies to hair texture in the Caribbean as well. A strong emphasis is placed on having straight hair than ‘nappy’ hair’. So although the Caribbean hasn’t experienced racism like in the US, euro-centric thinking (underlining cause of racism in the US) heavily influences the society.
betiyee
July 3, 2014 at 12:37 pm (10 years ago)I find the author does not understand the issues at stake. We all have different perspectives. The perspective of black Brits of Caribbean and African descent are different again. But racism is a problem in America because racism exists not because Afr Americans perpetuate it! There is institutionalised racism and there are racist people. When black people come from predominantly black countries to the US or the UK, it’s easy to miss the subtleties of the racism as you didn’t grow up in a society with those issues. It’s perhaps hard to understand how deep these issues go. These issues are real.. I can sometimes see it in people’s eyes or feel it when I’m being served in a shop. I’m sensitive to these things as having grown up with it, I recognise it. Why is having a keen sense of racial awareness unwarranted? For us it has perhaps become cultural or a mechanism of survival even. Look at the McPherson Report, the UK SUS laws, Brixton riots, LA riots.. Success is harder. Black boys in London are statistically more likely to be stopped by the police, incarcerated, receive harsh sentences, suffer mental health issues as a result.. when they get stopped by the police I am sure they will be thinking that they will be treated badly, but I am also sure that any bad treatment experienced is not down to their preconceived ideas, but is down to institutional or just good old fashioned racism! Should we really accuse people such as these young black men of “adding fuel to the fire.” When they get flung into prison or killed on road by police as in the recent case of Mark Duggan how can we say that we must simply “desist from breathing life into acts of discrimination”? The fact that people can relate to the article means that you are of the same or similar experience. But just don’t dismiss or disregard what we been going through in the US and UK.
Darren
July 3, 2014 at 6:08 pm (10 years ago)Yes, they might be adding fuel to the fire. When these young men get stopped by the police and EXPECT to be treated differently, has it ever occurred to you that they might be creating a classic self-fulfilling prophecy? They except to be treated badly, and it shows in their attitude — truculence, sullenness, discourtesy, possibly belligerence — and the cop reacts predictably: with irritation and increasing hostility, which they then interpret as proof positive of racism. And it’s not. It’s a reaction to their attitudes, not their skin color, especially if the cop did have a completely valid reason for the stop.
That’s not to say ALL police stops are free of racism. I’d never suggest such a thing. But I promise you a high percentage could fit the pattern I’ve described above. That sort of thing.
Betty
July 3, 2014 at 8:45 pm (10 years ago)It’s all about the context Darren. We have young black men living in communities which are heavily policed and have CCTV everywhere. I would imagine that walking around your neighbourhood and being stopped aggressively daily, walking to the shop would start to become annoying to say the least. Even if they did have bad attitudes (I’m sure some do and some don’t), they are often children (under 21). I have witnessed ridiculous behaviour from the police towards our young men. Behaviour coming from grown men who should know better.
William MacPherson is one of our Lord Chief Justices who, following the racially motivated murder of Stephen Lawrence (a young man from south London) conducted a report which, amongst other things, concluded that our police force is institutionally racist. Our police officers are in a position of responsibility. Half the time they stop these kids for fun, because they want to pick a fight.. I’ve seen it. The funny thing is, most of the boys I’ve seen being stopped just play along, empty their pockets, do whatever, it’s so routine.
I suppose the point is that the reason why they are being stopped is not necessarily because they are looking suspicious or are doing anything in particular, it is because they are young, black and male. The very fact that they are being stopped so frequently is the problem, not their expectations, or attitudes or even their behaviour necessarily.
In England, we used to have “sus” laws.. really old law to do with vagrancy which enabled police to stop anyone that they didn’t like the look of. The amount that black people, especially men were being stopped got so ridiculous that it sparked riots in Brixton, which is where we have always had (until recently.. but that’s another debate!) a large Caribbean population. Following the riots our Parliament enacted the Police And Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (PACE). This supposedly governs police powers. However, officers breach it continually.
So you see, young black men and the police have a long history of not getting along here. Parliament recognised that our police force needed to be better regulated in the 1980s. But the poof is in the statistics and as concluded by MacPherson.. we have a racist police force. I think it’s unfair to blame our young men.
Darren
July 3, 2014 at 12:11 pm (10 years ago)This is a good article. The author is quite correct that people who go in with preconceived ideas will often have them met. People who expect racism will most often find it. But this is not always, or even mostly, because of racism I’ll warrant. It’s because they have a great big massive chip on their shoulder. “I dare you to be racist. I DARE you! Go ahead.” And they will interpret any perceived slight or discourtesy as evidence of racism, when what people are really reacting to is the off-putting, negative attitude that’s coming from them.
Audria
July 3, 2014 at 12:03 pm (10 years ago)I get it but unfortunately, I’lI did agree with some of the argument made in this article. There is racism throughout the Caribbean that causes insecurities in the lives of many individuals even through adulthood. The challenge for many is that long after these hateful experiences have occurred the effects continue to haunt some individuals through out their lives. The good news is that the damage can be remedied with counseling/therapy if the individual who have experience the pain of racism choose to move beyond hurt and heal themselves in order to live a wholehearted life!
John Danny Madden
July 3, 2014 at 11:58 am (10 years ago)Thanks Diane for this wonderful article:) Hello Ms. Neal! Very well written article. Thank you for your perspective:) The challenge for us all in today’s world, is to truly walk in each other’s shoes. I’ve always been fascinated and wanted to understand, why people are the way they are. I think because I wanted to have a deeper understanding of myself, I also wanted to understand others. I discovered to understand others from a deeper perspective other than what is seen and heard,, sometimes requires a deep long look beneath the surface. It takes looking from a historical, analytical, psychological, and emotional perspective and context. In other words, it can be very hard work. And yet, if we all are to continue to grow and become the best we can be as human beings, this work must be done. You’ve written the perfect article to spark conversation:) Even the picture is perfect:) Bravo! You were wonderful in playing a bit of the antagonist role:) Again, Bravo! In today’s world, we are told to get educated. We’re told to use and develop our mind to it’s highest capacity. But we are not told to tune-in to our feelings. We are not told to value our feelings as much as our mind. We are not told how important the combination of our feelings and our mind is, when it comes to decision making in everyday life. While we grow technologically, emotionally from a “feeling” perspective, we’re becoming less and less tolerant of each other. While we friend each other on Facebook and other social media outlets, we really are more and more disconnected from each other. To walk in others shoes, is not just to get to where they are. It is to FEEL HOW they got to where they are! It is to FEEL WHO they are, and FEEL WHY they made the choices they did. It is to FEEL the comforts and discomforts of their journey. When you say in the title of your article, “Caribbean Nationals just don’t get it”, I totally understand and agree. But it is also true that Africans don’t get Afro-Americans., Haitians don’t get Jamaicans, Afro-Americans don’t get Indians, etc We as people don’t get each other! Why? Because we don’t feel each others experience. Every great leader of people of color, from Marcus Garvey to Martin Luther King, practiced thinking and feeling to get to the right thing, to lead their people. For us all to “Get It”, we must use the elements I mentioned above, and use the winning formula of feeling and thinking to come together with understanding. The question is, how deep will we go to understand each other? God Bless You All and thanks for listening.!:)
bklynfrankie
July 3, 2014 at 10:36 am (10 years ago)LOVE IT!!! Our achievements in life directly reflect our perceptions of ourselves. I’m Panamanian but I’ve lived in the U.S. for most of my life. Although no one would ever dispute the existence of racism, it was never an excuse or even discussion in my house. Consequently, I don’t see myself as a “black woman.” I’m a woman who so happens to be black. I find this to be a common thread with a lot of Caribbean people. Is it just a coincidence that even in here in Florida (the “racist south”) that Caribbeans make up a huge portion of professional positions? How is that when we only make up a small portion of the overall black population? I was a recruiter for a PhD program and 90% of the black students were Caribbean. That’s no coincidence.
Olu Butterfly
July 3, 2014 at 10:03 am (10 years ago)Many find racism because it exists. It has been a unique staple of this country’s existence. It literally colors everything. It is not a boogieman or in some distant past. I am a world traveler (primarily Africa and Europe) and was born in Nigeria and then moved to the Virgin Islands, with parents from north USA, and have lived on the east coast as a reference point. It was by acknowledging racism (AND continuing to fight it) that many people with brown skin can come to this country now and go to any university they want, live in various neighborhoods, etc. Racism is a system, not just isolated instances from individuals. I am clear on why many of African descent who were born elsewhere (even places where high economic status can classify one as white, regardless of skin color) can be led to confusion as we all get lumped together once here. I think the offense comes when people a) suggest the reign of racism is in the past b) put the weight of “getting over” it, without suggesting any methods of mass healing or reparations, on the people who are suffering from it (imagine telling a rape victim to get over it. Yes, they have to heal and move on but that is not how?) or c) suggest that what will move millions from generations of intentionally impoverished conditions is a better attitude towards racism. To the contrary, I think acknowledgment of racism is what saves and lengthens lives. Actually, that is documented science.
Pierre
July 3, 2014 at 7:36 am (10 years ago)Hi Aidan, I am curious. Given the comments so far (which generally seem to be divided between African Americans and Caribbeans) is there anything you would add or take away from the Article?
Christine
July 3, 2014 at 6:19 am (10 years ago)So Caribbean people do not see color, but bleaching and avoiding the sun are prevalent among young people, especially girls, today. We would so many Caribbean men and women want to be lighter if colorism was not at play as a proxy for race?
Ekeama
July 3, 2014 at 4:54 am (10 years ago)Aidan, I believe that you make some salient points, but it is simplistic to believe that “not tak[ing] the burden of that expectation [of racist acts] into every room, setting or conversation with” you while in the U.S. is to negate the experience of a group of people who are often told, by their former white oppressors and progeny, that they are making this up. I too am from the Caribbean and was also “shell-shocked by the palpable presence of racism” in the U.S. Especially as someone coming from a majority Black population where the I was one of the majority (black) and not one of the minority (white), I too found it hard to understand their ‘warnings’. Additionally, not coming from a society where I am the minority, within a white racist majority does not mean that race is never brought up in Caribbean households. We Caribbean people often speak of race in terms of how light or dark one is and how that may help or hinder our chances for job opportunities, especially as we live in communities where whites or light skinned people still inhabit the upper echelons of society. Therefore, to look upon the help of the ‘native informant’ as they aid in helping you to know how to behave ‘when in Rome’ as “perpetuating” racism is blatantly wrong. Please read up on some of the very valid issues African Americans have before you speak on a very public platform from a ‘Caribbean’ perspective about a people whose actions are informed by a history that you seem to know little or nothing about. Here are some authors: Cornel West, Malcom X, Tim Wise, Howard Zinn, Michelle Alexander, Frederick Douglass, W. E. B. DuBois, etc.
Aidan Neal
July 3, 2014 at 5:14 am (10 years ago)I didn’t say it was hard to understand the warnings….so the “too” is not appropriate.
I also did not say “race is never brought up” I stated it is not a common discussion.
How is warning me that things will be harder for me, that I will be climbing an uphill battle and/or are more likely to fail “helping me know how to behave,” Please elaborate on how I am to behave as a black person in Rome (America)?
What have you used to deduce that I am not acquainted with the authors/activists you have listed?
Kindly explain the grounds upon which you have gathered “I seem to know little or nothing about” African American history.
Thank you
Antonio Davis
July 5, 2014 at 5:03 pm (10 years ago)You apparently don’t and you apparently don’t care you chose to keep your opinion when people are given you valid facts about why African Americans feel the way they do but yet you still chose to keep your own opinion and the only people I see that are agreeing with you are “some” Carribean people and a few mixed couples
Graham
July 3, 2014 at 4:01 am (10 years ago)I commented earlier to say how much I liked your post. Glad to see it’s gotten a lot of traction. Don’t let the hostility some people are showing make you feel bad. Remember, you’re also getting a lot of love.
Understand that people live in different worlds, and for a lot of the people on here and in real life that hate trails of thought like this, it’s because it’s an attack on the foundation of their reality. To a lot of people their race is the foundation upon which their reality is built. There is no distinguishing themselves from the collective. To tell them they might jump to conclusions about racism is basically to tell them that they themselves aren’t actually important. Do you get me? They are their race…channelled through a human body..doing things….they aren’t an individual.
You can’t help those people, or reason with them. But don’t worry they aren’t meant to be reasoned with. Who fi rate your post, rate it.
Aidan Neal
July 3, 2014 at 4:27 am (10 years ago)Thank you
Coppaforlife
July 3, 2014 at 2:54 am (10 years ago)I do agree totally with this article, but love keith Greaves’ post. I grew up in a country which is–3rd world and considered Caribbean, but even with that 3rd world socioeconomic status, enjoyed a racism-absent upbringing. However, what we as Caribbean people neither are accustomed, nor can fathom, should never be viewed as over-sensitivity by “Black-Americans”. This is simply because what they’ve experienced then and honestly still are now as a race has and will continue to have an ever-lasting effective. Yes slavery was present on many countries within the Caribbean, but the environments differed, the slavery climate in America was very antagonistic and brutal.
Latasha Burnett
July 3, 2014 at 2:19 am (10 years ago)I apologize autocorrect on my phone. Lol. I meant to say Much Respect!
Latasha Burnett
July 3, 2014 at 1:11 am (10 years ago)This article is a bit disturbing to me. I am almost 40 years old. I’m an African-American female who has a little Native American blood in her. I live in Oklahoma where we still have the KKK & towns that have signs that say “Niggers better not be caught here after dark”. I have been in a relationship with a full blooded Jamaican man from Montego Bay. He is not Americanized & sticks to traditional JA beliefs. He had the same views you have voiced in this article until he experienced the Rednecks down here. His views have since changed. Down here we still have blacks being killed because they are black and sir down here in OK they have no problem telling you that you aren’t getting a job, a house, etc because you are a Nigger.
Latasha Burnett
July 3, 2014 at 1:24 am (10 years ago)And I would like to add that being an African-American hasn’t given me a sense of entitlement. Instead, it has forced me to have to work extra hard to achieve my goals down here. I am a Licensed Marital & Family therapist who specializes in Trauma Therapy. I own & operate a private- practice. Being aware of my race didn’t hinder me, it sparked a passion & drive in me to be more than what a black person is expected to be here in Oklahoma- a Nigger. No in JA many are not aware of race because the conditions of poverty, corruptness, & criminality are so overwhelming that one’s race becomes insignificant. One persons plight is not any worse or better than the other. Both groups have and are struggling to make the best of the life they have been given. When we judge one man all men will suffer because we are all one people. One love & much expect!!!
Pierre
July 3, 2014 at 7:19 am (10 years ago)Very well said and thank you for sharing Latasha!!
gem writes
July 2, 2014 at 11:52 pm (10 years ago)I am truly disturbed by your post Aidan. While I hope that my thoughts are reflected by others in earlier posts, nonetheless, I will add my two cents.
You are treating an historical and social issue with a lack of respect which I hope is unintended. And it is not, to do so for shock value is of extreme bad taste and somewhat callous.
I consider myself blessed to be a afro-carribean and not to have lived the reality of “being black” in the USA. Our inability to see what is often obvious is due to that sheltered lens. Their sensitivity is well anchored in a past that is lurking less than two generations ago. Today is the anniversary of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Why do you think it is in place? Who do you think fought that battle? In what past is it rooted? How many died? How many were blacks?
The luxury of blessed ignorance was payed by the “blacks” of this land that we now call home. The racial tapestry of our friendships … our achievements are due partially to the sacrifices of their fathers. Show some respect.
Social commentaries are well and good. But please have a care for the harsh reality of an entire group. It is not a continuous search for discrimination, it is a long buried burden. And while for certain some may jump to conclusion, be aware that these “jumpers” are at the far edge of what is often the truth… however unpallable that truth might be.
Know your facts, know the difference in De Jure vs De Facto segregation. Know your history:
Black Codes: 1800-1866
The US Civil War with slavery at its core: 1861-1865
Emancipation Proclamation: 1863
15th Amendment: 1870
Plessy v Ferguson: 1896
End of Jim Crow (Voting Right ): 1965
From a black islander to another: Be CONSCIOUS… Thread with kindness or stay abstain from public discourse.
Aidan Neal
July 3, 2014 at 1:02 am (10 years ago)I assure you, I did not see the ‘shock value’ in this post at all. It is simply another part of my formula page, which is an opinionated category geared toward living ones best life. This post was intended to be a simple suggestion to blur racial lines and make efforts to minimize racial sensitivities. Not in an effort to be defamatory, trivialize what it means to be black in America or separate Caribbean Americans from black Americans, but to suggest a means of easing a burden that in turn brings burden upon us. It’s hard to experience life in a joyous manner when one is consistently preoccupied with feelings of mistrust or anger, even when warranted. Suggesting that one be more positive is not the same as invalidating their history or the reason for their heightened expectations. Suggesting that one minimize or dissolve their wariness is not the same as saying they have no grounds for which to be wary in the first place.
I am saddened by these outcries that imply a lack of empathy or lack of knowledge in black history. The willingness to amplify segments from the post and repeatedly offer that I have suggested to ignore racism, that racism does not exist or that it’s time to get over it are just inaccurate.
gem writes
July 3, 2014 at 1:44 am (10 years ago)I appreciate your response but must inform you that your intentions were lost in the articulation of your thoughts. At best, they came out patronizing and I believe could easily be another justification for mistrust between “island blacks” and african americans here. The utterance of such thoughts bespeak of lack of understanding. It is not a preoccupation when a reality permeates your everyday. It is not a preoccupation when it is reflected in our media and court rulings. It is not a preoccupation when race is often lurking in jokes and even disrespect for our head of state. It is not a preoccupation when I am worried about the future of my nephews growing up here … worried if they will ever be equipped enough to be black males in America.
It is not a preoccupation, my dear Aidan. It is an unrest of the soul.
Betty
July 2, 2014 at 11:20 pm (10 years ago)I find this article patronising and misinformed. We all have different perspectives. The perspective of black Brits of Caribbean and African descent are different again. But racism is a problem in America because racism exists not because Afr Americans perpetuate it! There is institutionalised racism and there are racist people. When black people come from predominantly black countries to the US or the UK, it’s easy to miss the subtleties of the racism as you didn’t grow up in a society with those issues. It’s perhaps hard to understand how deep these issues go. These issues are real.. I can sometimes see it in people’s eyes or feel it when I’m being served in a shop. I’m sensitive to these things as having grown up with it, I recognise it. Why is having a keen sense of racial awareness unwarranted? For us it has perhaps become cultural or a mechanism of survival even. Look at the McPherson Report, the UK SUS laws, Brixton riots, LA riots.. Success is harder. Black boys in London are statistically more likely to be stopped by the police, incarcerated, receive harsh sentences, suffer mental health issues as a result.. when they get stopped by the police I am sure they will be thinking that they will be treated badly, but I am also sure that any bad treatment experienced is not down to their preconceived ideas, but is down to institutional or just good old fashioned racism! Should we really accuse people such as these young black men of “adding fuel to the fire.” When they get flung into prison or killed on road by police as in the recent case of Mark Duggan how can we say that we must simply “desist from breathing life into acts of discrimination”? The fact that people can relate to the article means that you are of the same or similar experience. But just don’t dismiss or disregard what we been going through in the US and UK.
Warren Flax
July 2, 2014 at 10:35 pm (10 years ago)Interesting article Aidan. I grew up in the caribbean and have been to the US many times and have Trini friends in the US who can relate. My experience really comes from living in England for two and a half years where the Black British also have a bit of a chip on their shoulder. I had a job at a North London Council and replaced a Black British woman. My boss and co-workers were at first cagey around me thinking I would be sensitive but after a while when they realised I did not have baggage per se and was a confident individual the whole atmosphere in the office changed. They did not have to walk on eggshells around me like the previous employee and we had a great working relationship. If something went wrong it is because something went wrong and they could discuss it with me and me with them without the racial bogey in the room. I have travelled all through out europe and done things that would be considered ‘white people’ things but it mattered not to me as it was things I was interested in doing. I was the crazy trini in the group, usually the only black guy. I referred to myself as black and had no hang ups about it. My white friends and travellers were first uneasy with it and would say black guy in a awkward way but when asked if it bothered me if they called me black I would say no as long as I can refer to them as white. Growing up in the Caribbean really can give you a level of self belief and confidence that helps many of us excel in the US or UK or anywhere as we don’t have the racial millstone around our neck. I never thought I did not get a job in the UK because of my skin colour but rather because of a flaw in my interview, my qualifications or experience or my residency status. My attitude was ‘I did not get that one, I will apply elsewhere’ just like anyone in the Caribbean here would do.
Dee
July 2, 2014 at 10:05 pm (10 years ago)I haven’t gotten through all the comments yet, but one thing I read about 3 times already is people commenting on your view about things being related to racism. I didn’t for one second think that you were saying it doesn’t exist or haven’t experienced it. But I have witnessed first hand where people have jumped to that conclusion first. I went somewhere once where ID was required. A guy didn’t have his ID and security told him he couldn’t come in. The guy said out loud “I bet if it was one of these white folk, you would let them in”. His instant reaction was that he wasn’t being let in without his ID because he was black rather than because it was the policy. I also had a friend who got a ticket for failure to stop at a stop sign. He told me the cop only stopped him because he was black. And I’m thinking, isn’t it possible the cop was just trying to meet his quota for the month? Now, I am not saying that we know for sure in either of these scenarios it wasn’t racism, but we don’t know for sure it was. I think peoples responses are based on past experiences or the experiences of others. One thing I also wanted to say is that black people also support the music, movies and shows and depict us in a negative light so they keep making them and contributing to peoples views of us. So, like one reader said, sometimes it’s not a matter of racism, but ignorance. A lot of people only know about us what they see in the media over and over again and they think that is the majority.
Simone
July 2, 2014 at 9:04 pm (10 years ago)This writer is an apologist and this article is inane.
No black person enjoys finding racism anywhere. I would love to live my life without being forced to think about my race all the time. As soon as I forget it, something disgusting happens to remind me.
If people are “hyper aware” it’s because they have just cause by reason of past experiences.
I arrived in the United Kingdom from the West Indies with a similar naïveté, and was soon disabused of the belief that race doesn’t exist, and that I can get by being well educated etc. The basic fact is that Black people are generally not respected, and the common consensus amongst other races is that we are less intelligent. From experience, the very people who claim to be your friends, harbour these negative beliefs about you on at least a subconscious level; it’s woven into the very fabric of cultures in which we are not the majority. Of course it is better for your mental health to pretend that this isn’t true, you have no choice but to pretend if you want keep your sanity and survive. But never forget that it is pretence.
“Looking for racism” shortly becomes a defence mechanism once you’ve lived outside the Caribbean long enough. Arming yourself against it, mitigates the hurt you feel when you inevitably encounter it.
I’ve also lived in America. And all that stuff about African Americans and films and TV shows and what not, this author is not qualified to speak on the African American struggle with racism and the history that goes with it. S/he can’t newly arrive on the scene and ignore the historical and current factors that contribute to how African Americans perceive their status in America.
And all these West Indian patting themselves on the back for being able to look past racism…this is just another way for one group to try to be better than another.
Without the African Americans and their struggles, West Indians would not have been able to waltz into America and “look past racism”.
For there to be a top, there must be a bottom. The African Americans (as much as some of them irritate me) have been holding down the bottom since forever, and it is this that has allowed the johnny come latelies (we West Indians) to make a play for the middle.
If you want to read an article that better looks at the dynamics between blacks in America, read Malcolm Gladwell’s “Black Like Them”.
Betty
July 4, 2014 at 6:17 am (10 years ago)Well said Simone
Tracy
July 7, 2014 at 9:52 pm (10 years ago)Simone,Thank You! From a Caribbean American woman!
Dave
July 2, 2014 at 8:55 pm (10 years ago)Unfortunately here in america we (Of all colors, creed, ect) look to blame someone else for anything. “Oh I’m late for work because of this idiot that is only doing the speed limit” or my car was busted in to because of the ……’s that live down the street. It’s never Oh I’m late for work because I did not get up in time, or my car was busted in to because I left the GPS and cell phone sitting out in the open on the dash of the car. Then our insecurities fall in to place of taking our faults and putting face or color to the crime. America is just sad in this respect. Some have been told over and over again that we are Americans and we will be successful when we grow up because of that. The part that was left out was that YOU have to work for it. So when we do not become successful we blame everyone else for any reason we can think of.
This is just what I see. In my own opinion.
Desney
July 2, 2014 at 8:52 pm (10 years ago)This may be late, and very well go unnoticed. But here are my two cents:
I’ve lived in New York for the last 15 year’s and here African American is a scarcity. If you see a black person they’re most likely of Caribbean decent. And still I was aware or rather bullied into feeling as though the world was set up against me just because I’m black. Maybe it’s because they’ve been here so long or.being born and raised is the root of all, but I wouldn’t say with conviction that people of Caribbean decent in general don’t know they’re black and the burden that comes with that in this country. I can only speak for a small group of people I’ve known my whole life.but they’re all guyanese
Personally though I agree with this article. I don’t even experience racism, really and if I do it doesn’t bother me. It doesn’t hurt and I used to want others to think like me but the truth is they can’t. It hurts them and they really are at war for their lives but… I just had to realize it’s not my war. Even though you’re black and your children will be afro-americans.
The best we can do is offer our empathy. And teach our children the same. Maybe that’s enough to foster a new generation of healing
Danielle Monique
July 2, 2014 at 8:29 pm (10 years ago)Some of these comments are highly saddening.
Shamir
July 2, 2014 at 8:42 pm (10 years ago)I understand and agree with your perspective, don’t give up hope, we have a lot to teach our fellow people in the Caribbean who oversimplifies things in America when they visit here. I’m (Jamaican) living in america and I’ve understood some of the struggles Black Americans experience. It’ll take a while to get the message across, but they’ll learn.
Jan
July 2, 2014 at 8:04 pm (10 years ago)Thanks for this article Aidan. I grew up in Trinidad, and blessedly in one of the most multi-ethnically even areas of the country. I am also the product of two mixed parents, so I have two grandparents who are not black. Race was never an issue growing up. But you cannot help but see, feel and hear about race in the US. I am a fan of history and have done the reading up on slavery and Jim Crow, the civil rights movement etc in the US. I get that. I get institutional racism. I get economic disenfranchisement. I get hate crimes even. What I don’t get is the almost uniform attitude of “African-Americans”, who most definitely are hyper sensitive. There is an aggression, an anger, an eagerness to get into a confrontation, with just about anyone. I have friends from South Africa and even though apartheid only ended recently they are no where near as bitter as the average african-american. I have lived in both the UK and US and can honestly say, I don’t get it. It is the attitude that I don’t get. Stop letting others dictate who you are, project positivity and focus on what you want out of life and who you want to be. By all means challenge racist behaviour and actions when you come across it. But stop looking for the race boogey man in ever nook and crany, cause guess what? You’ll surely find it.
Kim
July 2, 2014 at 7:43 pm (10 years ago)Excellent article. I am Caribbean and I had a male black friend, of Jamaican descent who grew up in the US. If he walked down the street he would comment on the “white people that crossed the street are trying to avoid me”. I always wondered how much of it was real and how much was paranoia. I just want to point out that the most shocking racism I experienced was actually by an African American cab driver …against his own race. After finding out I am a doctor, and then discovering I was Caribbean, he commented ” oh well that makes sense now, cuz if you were African American you woulda had 3 baby daddies by now and dropped out of school.” Shocking ! With African Americans making themselves their own worst enemies, there needs to be more of a focus on self-awareness and enlightenment, which is the main message of this article.
Danielle Monique
July 2, 2014 at 7:30 pm (10 years ago)I certainly understand that those born and raised in the Caribbean will have a different experience than Black Americans regarding race. With that said I think the author would do well to educate herself a bit more on the unique situation of Black Americans in this country. I don’t think your understanding of how White Supremacy operates and what it has meant for my community is as complete as it could be. Furthermore your wording seems to blame the continued existence of these issues on the hypersensitivity of Black Americans while giving the actual structure of this nation a pass. I highly suggest you read the work of writers Ta-Nehisi Coates of The Atlantic and Chauncey DeVega over at We Are Respectable Negroes. Coates’ piece on reparations in particular lays out the subjugation and theft of wealth that Black Americans have gone through.
Noel
July 2, 2014 at 7:27 pm (10 years ago)Enjoyed reading your article and could not agree with you more. The stigma of blame should stop and look beyond, we owe it to ourselves to rise above this.
How and why do Black Americans take the name African American to reference a skin color? isn’t Africa also of mixed colors? Africa is a place, just as the Caribbean is a place. How will you describe a person of light skin from Algeria or South Africa ? aren’t they truly Africans? Again nice article.
Benjamin
July 2, 2014 at 7:02 pm (10 years ago)Nothing new or surprising regarding these insights. My great frustration is how little attention is paid to racism as institutional/structural–the result is that the solution ends up sounding like self-help pablum (e.g., The Secret). The best antidote to it are founds in Ta-Nehisi Coates’ powerful essays in The Atlantic…they’re not feel-good, but there’s something incredibly freeing and reality-validating when you confront just how utterly rigged the systems are, and how these white supremacist systems will continue to perpetuate themselves until we get serious about dismantling them.
Aidan Neal
July 2, 2014 at 7:15 pm (10 years ago)Thank you Benjamin
greg
July 2, 2014 at 6:58 pm (10 years ago)I’m Jamaican, and when I tell people that Kenny Rogers sold out a show in Jamaica, and Country and Western music is the most popular genre of music outside of reggae, people, black and white are usually shocked. I guess in America and Canada, that’s ‘white’ music. Never heard of such a term in the Caribbean
Jen
July 2, 2014 at 6:44 pm (10 years ago)It is important to note that there is a deep historical difference between the end of slavery in the Caribbean and in the US. When slavery ended in the West Indies the majority of the white slave owners went back to their respective
European countires. Leaving the now free slaves to govern themselves. In the US, slave owners were the minority and there was a large popluation of ppor and working class whites that once slavery was abolished now saw newly freed slaves as a threat to the already scarce jobs and resources in the American South. Neither of these facts gives either situation an advantage, merely a difference in the way race relations were able to play out.
Kris
July 2, 2014 at 6:20 pm (10 years ago)Good day, I find your comment “African-Americans appear to have the hardest time moving forward. ” beyond ridiculous. As an American born and raised in The States, it’s not that it’s hard to “get past” it. It’s that its a daily fact of life. Just before I moved to the Bahamas I was called a Ni**er and this was 2006. Last year in Miami, I was called one for moving to slow for a driver in back of me. So, don’t sit there on your high horse claiming only AA can’t get past racism. Ya’ll Caribbean folks got racism too…only it’s disguised as Color Blindness, Good Hair vs. Bad Hair, Bahamians vs. Haitians, Dominicans vs Bahamians….in glasses houses, its best not to throw stones.
Eddie
July 2, 2014 at 6:00 pm (10 years ago)This is a very one-sided article. It’s not even objective. It doesn’t even scratch the surface of what race truly means in America (for everyone not just African-Americans). The tone almost suggest that you’re bitter with African-Americans? “African Americans also have a keen and often unwarranted sense of racial awareness.” Wow! And far from the truth. While black Americans and black Caribbeans have different experiences with race relations we fall in the same boat under the racially-charged eye of the American society (the fabric from which this country was built on.) Not only is race in America pushed in your face everyday, more importantly, it is encouraged. Example; Caribean-American, Black-American, Korean-American, Puerto-Rican, Dominican, Italian-American, Filipino-American, Chinese-American, Caucasian, etc – all these different labels I can’t even keep up with. In America you’re grouped – whether you like it or not – by race and nationality. You’re never simply just an American (except when you go to war). Even Sidney Poitier – a great American actor, and Bahamian, mentioned in his book “A Measure of a Man” that he was aware that he was black when he came to America. So, race in the Caribbean may not mean as much to you until you come to America and you’re grouped just like everyone else. I’m not saying it’s right, but it’s an ugly extension of the American experience.
Another thing. Racism in the Caribbean is real. Very real. It’s the same poison that is here in America that is manifested in a different way. Skin bleaching is out of control in countries like Jamaica. The poverty rate among a lot of black people is extremely high – racism in economics. Dominicans don’t like Haitians (because they’re black). As a matter fact, they’re have been reports of them exiling them back to Haiti. A lot of Dominicans and Puerto Ricans of African descent deny they’re blackness. The list goes on.
I think your article encourages separatism among Caribbeans and African-Americans and it fails to achieve any kind of understanding. What you’re doing is politely lambasting “all” African-Americans for not being more like you. Haughty, to say the least.
Furthermore, I am an African-American and my wife is of Belizean heritage and we have a great relationship, despite cultural differences. But most importantly, we know who are as individuals, and as black people. And if you really study history – especially the history of blacks in the diaspora, we’re actually more alike than we are different. And next time you write an article about this, maybe you should point some of those similarities out.
Danielle Monique
July 2, 2014 at 7:39 pm (10 years ago)Well-said Eddie.
Shamir
July 2, 2014 at 8:55 pm (10 years ago)You could not be more right when u said “we’re actually more alike than we are different.” This is exactly how I feel towards the article above and I’m a Jamaican living in America who’s views has evolved since living here.
Gideon
July 2, 2014 at 5:51 pm (10 years ago)Beautiful writing. However, I urge you to think deeper about this topic (I’m also Caribbean). I do think your writing portrays you as quite naive about the complexity of racism and its enduring legacy in America and you have over-simplified in your comparison of Caribbean and African Americans, tremendously.
You have overlooked the brutal impact of a relentless Drug War on African American males and African American families. You have overlooked the impact of housing policies that have resulted in highly segregated neighborhoods. You have overlooked the impact of poor schools in African American neighborhoods. You have overlooked the impact of public transportation policies that cut off black neighborhoods from suburbia, making it challenging for blacks to keep jobs in these areas. You have also overlooked the fact that black males in America, Caribbean or African American, are automatically perceived to be criminal. Stop and Frisk knows no nationality, just color.
These are complex issues and I’m afraid your analysis falls short. Take some time to understand the African American experience and your view will change. Mine did.
Keep writing, cheers to you
Patrick
July 2, 2014 at 5:20 pm (10 years ago)Excellent and well written article. Obviously and based on the comments your (and my) experience is not universal. The article however correctly captures the general feeling of most Caribbean national migrants to North America. I had to correct a colleague who once referred to me as African American, by informing him that I am neither African not American, but a Canadian citizen, of Caribbean birth living in the US. We do ourselves a disservice when we assimilate to the “black” American mentality/viewpoint on race.
Simone
July 2, 2014 at 10:11 pm (10 years ago)Patrick,
You have not done a survey of all the Caribbean immigrants, so I don’t think you’re in a position to claim that most West Indians share your skewed and inane perspective.
Dee Rich
July 2, 2014 at 5:17 pm (10 years ago)Interesting view. It seems as if the author wants to ignore the sociological impact of chattel slavery and its effects in America. It’s like saying “well since I never experienced that as a Caribbean and all of my friends are White, it must not be true for others and you should simply stop over-reacting.” What a callous way to devalue the narrative of other Black people’s experiences.
Truth be told, It’s because of those same complaining Black Americans you are critiquing that YOU were able to walk your Caribbean ass over here more seamlessly than other Black Americans. Perhaps you should try understanding more why people react the way they do, than to point your Caribbean finger at us “po Black descendants of slaves who just can’t get it together.’
If your country was so progressive and beyond race why are you here in America?Apparently the Caribbean culture doesn’t have it as well as they think, otherwise you would be there and not here complaining about other Blacks.
Oh and by the way, Caribbean Blacks don’t ever think about race? And nobody in the Caribbean ever uses racial epithets? Yea right.
Andrew Bain
July 2, 2014 at 5:12 pm (10 years ago)I want to stand up and clap for this article. I have been saying this for YEARS. Thank you for writing this and I will be sharing this with my Caribbean brothers and sisters 95% of whom I know agree with this and 5% of whom were born here and raised in America. Thanks again!
Patricia
July 2, 2014 at 5:02 pm (10 years ago)I’m a Caribbean woman living in Trinidad and Tobago and I think your depiction of racism/race-relations in the Caribbean is a bit idealistic. I think the situation is a bit more nuanced than you illustrate here and can differ from island to island. Racism exists here. Our societies were built on slavery too. There was a Black Power Revolution in Trinidad in the 1970s. Why, because of the colonial white-dominated power structure that remained here even after independence.
You can still see traces of that power- structure but the colonial political leaders have been replaced by American and Canadian multinational companies who have a stronghold in the region. As we say in Trinidad, “is de same khaki pants”
Also, let’s talk about inter-racial relations between various races of non-white Caribbean people. Spend any amount of time in Trinidad or Guyana and you’ll notice an underbelly of tension between people of Indian descent and of African descent. Look at the political parties. There’s a strong racial divide between the “Indian party” and the “African party” Fear of either side gaining power has been manipulated rather adeptly by political charlatans for their own personal gain. Yes, on the surface things can seem peachy but these political tensions come from somewhere. Its historical roots of are way too deep to go into here.
You talk about growing up without being made to feel different because of your race, well I didn’t have that experience. I was an Afro-Trinidadian in a predominantly Indo-Trinidadian school and there were negative comments that I felt “othered” me. On the flip-side there are Indo Trinidadians who have expressed feel that their Caribbean-ness is not recognised/accepted because of their race.
Caribbean people may not be as hyper-sensitive to racism as their African American counterparts. (I think that point is debatable as Marcus Garvey, Stokely Carmichael were Jamaican and Trinidadian, respectively) But, please, let’s not minimise the complexity of racial relations in the Caribbean.
Orlando Ashah
July 2, 2014 at 4:56 pm (10 years ago)Awesome article! Your observations are as astute as they are accurate. I personally don’t spend time obsessing over race and as a member of an interracial marriage I have no patience for those who do. I’m sick of idiots asking either my wife or I, Why either of us didn’t marry within our own race. People have a right to fixate on the superficial, just keep it away from me and my family.
Phil
July 2, 2014 at 4:13 pm (10 years ago)I grew up in the Caribbean and race was always a topic of discussion. I can imagine for some, depending on their shade, company, school and social status (including that of their parents’), as well as career path, it might not have featured and apparently mattered. Race will always be a topic. This is not a cynical or hopeless position, just an opinion that we need generalisation and stigmitisation to survive and rapidly make decisions, including those with social implications. Unfortunately negative stigmitization, where racism is one example, are by-products of our human ability and need to generalise. Only education and unselfish endeavour as attitudes of the masses will minimise the effects of racism. We can’t ignore it our allow ourselves to be conditioned towards apathy. We don’t have to be militant about it but vigilant, demonstrating by our own behaviours that the colour lines and boxes are whatever we define them to be.
SallysueLee
July 2, 2014 at 4:03 pm (10 years ago)Whilst your article assesses the situation aptly, you cannot leave out the psychological conditioning that centuries of slavery, jim crow, segregation and plain racist attitudes (look at what our President endures now) have done to the Black American psyche. That… as a Jamaican myself, we will never know. We don’t know the deep impact being called a ‘nigger’ & other derogatory things does to the internal construct of a child as he/she grows into adulthood. We as black Caribbeans who now live here can get on with our lives because the struggle in this country has been on the backs of Black Americans. My own son born in Jamaica and knew nothing about racism, has been the target of racial profiling and other despicable acts and I’ve had to counsel him constantly against building up anger and hate in his heart. Unless we have walked in their shoes, felt the shame, humiliation, degradation and all other inhuman assaults they have lived all their lives, we can’t get into their psyche and comment on where they should or shouldn’t be in their psychological awareness.
Aidan Neal
July 2, 2014 at 6:18 pm (10 years ago)Its about the perpetuation of a past to present and new generations. The tendency to be more present in acknowledging slavery and jim crow, while being far less willing to speak on the fact that there has and continues to be vast change. Choosing to do the later is not the same as ignoring ones heritage or pretending racism doesn’t exists. It’s just a step towards propagating the lesser truth in an attempt to advance change. The change that as you said has been weighed on the backs of black Americans who came and fought before us. A deep rooted and ugly past has not been ignored. Black history cannot be ignored because it is, in all it’s essence American history.
Erring on the side of pleasantry does not an ignoramus make. The notion that one can be vastly in the know and choose not to perpetuate it in their everyday lives appears truly foreign and unpopular.
Someone used the poor example of rape.
Being brutalized in this manner is inexplicable and emotionally scarring. It does unimaginable and in many cases irreparable damage to a persons psyche. It takes some time (if it happens at all) to get past such trauma. Having worked in a Rape Treatment Center I’ve seen the horror someone can face. Once in a while, forums are set up to allow survivors to share how they overcame this trauma. How it took time, but they knew they would never know love and/or fulfill the dreams they wished to have if they didn’t learn to trust. If they didn’t practice being able to go somewhere on their own. If they hadn’t learned not to see everyone as a potential predator.They chose to move forward. It’s not the same as ignoring what has happened to them or pretending it still does not happen to others. It doesn’t mean he/she doesn’t know it can happen to them again. But it must be done to attain the semblance of a fulfilling life. They choose not to share this story with their daughters not because it isn’t important, not because rape wasn’t and doesn’t continue to be real but to give her the opportunity to live a life not overshadowed by a fear of men, that her mother/father would have perpetrated. A life where she does not have this heightened awareness of men as predators (though some are). A life, where should potential trust issues arise, they come from her own experiences and not those perpetuated by her parent’s very real and traumatic past. How can a victim of trauma hope to propogate change by reminding themselves and those around them how many times a day a rape happens. How can they move on by going into every situation consumed with thoughts that any man in this room could potentially violate me. Isn’t it a disservice when these thoughts are passed on to person’s -who though have the potential to experience the same- have not.
The reasoning behind the behavior has not been lost on me. It is not my intention to devalue history. I have not nor will I ever tell anyone to “just get over anything.” In my work, it is not my nature to suggest that anyone just get over anything. I too find that very insensitive. It is not in my nature to make any self determinations on how persons should feel or react to anything. The article is a suggestion. A suggestion based a common thread, not my sole or the only idea of a Caribbean lifestyle, where race does not create segregation. A suggestion that by acknowledging without propagating a past in our daily lives, that perhaps our outlook will change and our children will grow to live in a continually bettered society.
SallysueLee
July 2, 2014 at 8:16 pm (10 years ago)Every word you say, I agree with… but understand that I am able to counsel my son against the build up of hate and anger as a result of what he has experienced in this country, simply because I grew up in Jamaica where those mind-sets were not embedded deeply in my psychological make-up. “The sins of the father are passed on to the children”. The glaring point I’m making is, a parent can only pass on to children what they themselves believe because of what they’ve lived and if everything; a history of being treated as sub-human, magazine images, movie roles, rap music, societal stereotyping are projecting that black boys/men are thugs, delinquents… it is tough to paint a picture of something else that is not their reality. Now, I agree we have to evolve, we have to move beyond self-deprecating images, attitudes and behavior however, it is easier for us coming from countries where we’ve lived this other reality than it is for a race who had negative, degrading images projected on to them… since they came here. The word I’m looking for is… compassion.
Aidan Neal
July 2, 2014 at 8:23 pm (10 years ago)Thank you Sally. I understand.
I do agree that it is much easier for us because of our upbringing. And apologize if a lack of compassion is conveyed in my attempts to zone in on my future hopes. I am hoping that as hard as it is and may be for so many that there is a consideration that we can rise and not just describe.
Ayesha
July 2, 2014 at 4:03 pm (10 years ago)I found this article to be completely devoid of a reality; creating this idealistic view of a Caribbean without racial injustices , racism, and even prejudices within our own black communities. To suggest that racism in America is perpetuated by black Americans is ridiculous. Your writing is symptomatic of a bourgeois assumption that all black people have to do is ignore race, ignore our history and our current status as oppressed group in order to be happy. I am speaking as a child of two Caribbean parents who migrated here because of economic starvation on their home islands. Wealth is significantly disproportionate, enjoyed mostly by non-black residence and middle class blacks. This is indicative of a of a system that not only relies on the myth of racial equality in the Caribbean to allow the continued exploitation of the black working class, but it also fosters division that I am all too familiar with when it comes to black Americans and black Caribbeans. When I look at places like Jamaica, Bahamas, Trinidad , the colonizers ideals are still present through policy and practice. I recommend that you do some research on why race and class is a singular issue for us all . Research Walter Rodney (Guyana) Maurice Bishop (Grenada) Frantz Fanon (Martinique) who provide deeper analysis on the sameness of black people the world over and why our experiences in these different places unite us in a singular struggle. And that,my friend, should be the ultimate objective.
Shannon
July 2, 2014 at 3:50 pm (10 years ago)Loved this article!!! When my family migrated to the US from Belize, I was 6 years old and until that time I never knew that there were differences between the people I went to school with. In junior high my close female friends were Black, but they would question why it was that I was so friendly with the Hispanic students. I couldn’t understand what the big deal was. As far as I was concerned, they all looked like people who lived in my community and never had a problem with.
Later on in college, one of the Black-American guys who I knew asked me one day if I didn’t feel strange living in an apartment with three other Belizeans ( all who were Hispanic). He thought that I would feel out of place and maybe there would be some sort of racial issues among us because I was the only non Hispanic person in their midst. I was floored by this because those students were Belizeans just like me and aside from being the nicest roomies you could ask for, we all shared a common background (for the most part) since we came from the same country. He couldn’t understand why I was so puzzled by his question. When my younger sister attended university in Ohio, she was advised by another Belizean to stay clear of the African-American clubs/ associations because she herself had immediately joined when she started at the mostly white university; but she was very soon given the cold shoulder by those in the club because she was not Black enough, and she was very friendly with many of the non-black students. My sister, wanting to see for herself met the same fate…she was not an angry black woman, had no axe to grind with anyone, was there to get an education and take in what university life had to offer, and had no time to be overthinking and analyzing statements and actions of every person who was not black. One of the members of the association told her that she was not militant enough to be part of their group and that she didn’t seem to care too much about their issues. My sister, like the other Belizean student eventually joined other campus associations, one of which was run by African students. There they both connected with other people of colour who were more than willing to share all aspects of their cultures with them.
BROTHER PROPHET
July 2, 2014 at 3:19 pm (10 years ago)This article is off in so many ways this shows the complete blindness and mental slavery mentally because one if you new the history of your people as a whole via atlantic slave trade you would know that of course the carribean blacks would have a different outlook on racism etc. Blacks in america had a whole different experience how about being denied rights ,lynching, segregation, not being considered a human but property you expect all blacks all over the world would understand the plight here. We endured mental, physical, and psychological slavery and oppression so i guess you are just like white people and other races that dont understand why black people in america are still dwelling on and not forgetting our history and what was done to us even with our improvements we still have work to do. Every leader we had to improve our people like Malcom x and Martin luther king was assassinated because they feared the power to bring us together and not just african americans but all black people from any country. This mentality is what keeps us seperated open your eyes here this is why we dont unify because we dont understand each otheres history or turn a blind eye . White supremacy is still alive and is working after reading this article I see there plan to keep us seprated because you dont know who you are and you dont really care or understand the history of your people in the United states.
RE
July 2, 2014 at 2:40 pm (10 years ago)Im sorry but I cant agree with this article. Your article acts as if we imagine racism not existing then it wont effect us. Sorry to break your bubble miss but simple ignoring it isnt going to make it go away. Back in the Caribbean you had the privilege of growing up in a black controlled area but in the mainland it isnt like that sadly. What you need to realize is that the mainland isnt like the Caribbean so those AAs know what they are talking about when they speak of the things they see and go through. I grew up in the USVI surrounded by black cops and black employers and came to the mainland and saw for myself the difference. USA has mostly white people whos had an advantage over other races in economic wealth thanks to racism and segregation to which many are in the place of giving employment opportunities. That is fact and everytime you look for a job you run into the risk of having a racist white employers shutting you down.
You can ignore a man hitting you in your head and pretend it didnt happen but at the end of the day your head still got hit.
ExoticWaves
July 2, 2014 at 2:32 pm (10 years ago)I am a dark chocolate brother born and raised in the beautiful Caribbean, and I too never worried about race all that much when I was younger. Everyone of importance on my island, including the police, governor, senators, etc were black and sounded like me. Back then, I even liked and related to shows like Saved By the Bell, and I never once worried about the fact the star was white. It was all about relating to the content of people’s character and whether or not they were fun to be around. Race didn’t matter at all. Back then, before I started being more aware about race, I will admit that I did notice a difference in the white tourists. For one, they sometimes smelled like suntan lotion (not the colongue that we black guys would wear). And also I thought some were strange because I’d see white kids screaming and shouting and cursing with burning obscenities at their parents, and the parents would simply calmly respond by saying things like “Tommy calm down”… while I knew if I did the same thing in my household my mother would blow a gasket!!! But the white tourists were generally friendly to the locals…and there was never that look of suspicion on their faces that I, a tall proud chocolate brother receive here on the east coast.
But it’s not until I moved to the East Coast of the USA that I began to understand the depth of racism that exists in this world. I had to learn the hard way that when some white women sense my chocolate presence they sometimes deliberately move their purses on the other sides of their bodies or clutch them firmly or search thru them vehemently if they somehow bumped into me accidentally. Sometimes they freeze in their footsteps when they see me walking down the sidewalk. I just watch them in their face face and smile at them like why are you so fearful? America is a fear-based society and because white people here tend to have the power: power of hiring/firing, power of the media, and so on, race and how you’re perceived matters in this country. They are the gatekeepers, and so most (but not all) black persons must learn how to fit in and coexist with them in order to have economic success here in country.
Sometimes white guys spew hate at me; one time I was riding the subway in Washington DC and this white couple was having an argument, and the white guy was acting childish, not responding in intelligible form like a 2-year old (his girl’s words) and I snickered softly to myself at how a man could be so weak. He turned and looked at me, and I guess he noticed that I was smiling (I could have been smiling for any reason besides their bs convo), and he started sticking up his middle finger at me and hurling slurs at me, and I said to him “yeah I guess you’re a two-year-old for real” and his girl laughed out loud at him. I had a negative encounter with a white police officer in downtown St. Louis; while waiting for a taxi, an officer pulled his cruiser over, got out, and came up to my friend and I (we were standing on the curb where the taxi told us to wait for him) and the officer put on his flashing lights, radioed for backup, and pulled out a flashlight and club, put the club in my face and uttered “Good night, can I help you gentlemen?” My immediate thought was why were we (the only black people standing on the street) in need of “police assistance” when the whites were standing right there too?
I never experienced such racism in the Caribbean; but in America it’s routine.
There is a real fear of black men in America… a fear I never once sensed when I was young on my Caribbean island. I used to hear about the fear of the black man, but I didn’t know what it FELT like to be the one is feared until moving to America. Most non-black people that I encounter act so shy, stoic, and intimidated by my presence. I can see the jittery fear in their faces, they can’t even make eye contact with me most times. Forget about having friendly conversation. Now not everyone is like this, but there is a certain percentage of the American population that is fearful of my presence; a vastly higher percentage than in the Caribbean. So I see why Black Americans are hyper aware of race… the negative treatment based on your skin tone is a reality here in this country. Plain and simple. The good thing with me is that I have a perspective from living outside America, so I know how it FEELS to live in a society free of subtle racism and I know what it’s like to live in a community where people don’t fear your presence, instead they proactively seek it out by saying “hi, good morning, how’s your day going” to strangers. The part of America I live in tends to not be like that. But one thing I’ve noticed too is that white people (who are strangers) here in my East Coast city don’t talk to each other either… so I think it’s something deeper than black/white relations; it’s just how people are with strangers — people fear strangers it seems like. And because the black man is portrayed negatively on TV and also because some American black men do dumb shit (like the knockout game), much of the non-black portion of the society doesn’t have a high opinion of blacks that they don’t yet know personally.
That being said, I have concluded that my mental attitude is most paramount in dealing with the suspicion, hate, fear, and intimidation here in America. I cannot control other people’s opinion’s, perceptions, or negative visceral (and not logical) emotional responses to my chocolate presence. It is not my responsibility to ensure that non-black people aren’t intimidated by me… I’m not intimidated by them, I don’t judge them based on their skin-tone, but just on the content of their characters and how fun they are to be around. I carry myself with pride, I dress well, and I stand TALL and PROUD despite the bs out here in this country. Unfortunately this is the sacrifice that I must make for the financial opportunity that America offers. They didn’t teach me this lesson in any high-school or college courses; how to remain calm despite other people’s negative and low opinion and negative treatment of people that look like me. It sucks to not be able to feel free to walk up to a random non-black stranger and say hi, how do you do, without the person first worrying about whether I’m there to relieve them of their belongings or not. It sucks to be associated with the criminal element, to be suspected of doing wrong and being “threatening and intimidating.”
But life could be worse. MLK and others died trying to make this country a more perfect union. If other people want to see me or other black people in a negative light (without a shred of evidence to support such a conclusion) then f*** ’em.
Zorn Ebanks
July 2, 2014 at 2:26 pm (10 years ago)Well written Aidan, as people of color we should never ever feel less of a person. I strongly embrace my Scottish and African heritage and being light skinned with “honey blonde” hair (the color my Dad told me when in my early teens I inquired about my heritage) I often get that questioning look when I say I am Jamaican. Most Caucasians and African Americans don’t really know about the rich history of our Caribbean heritage, therefore it is our responsibility to educate them. They still see black and white in 2014, racism still exists, where as we grew up with various shades of color. Be true to who we are but let’s educate these people whenever we can. Allow me to share your articles with my FB friends. Thanks.
Sasha P
July 2, 2014 at 2:20 pm (10 years ago)This is so true and it’s not only in the U.S., it’s in Canada as well. I spent the first 11 years of my life growing up in Jamaica and the Cayman Islands, the I moved to Canada. I remember learning about racism in elementary but for me it was a part of history and not something that we would dwell on and constantly bring up. I had friends of all colors and from various different countries, but I didn’t think anything racist about them all I saw were my friends. It wasn’t until I moved to Canada that I was really introduced the whole concept of “keeping to your own”. Even today, I’m 24 and in graduate school where I am currently the only black student. I don’t feel anyway about it because to me these guys are my friends but my other friends who are black are always interrogating me about the fact that I’m the only black person. I honestly don’t care about that, I’m just proud that I was able to get this far and accomplish so much, and that I was able to meet some great friends along the way. I’m not saying that racism doesn’t exist, I have been the brunt of it at times, but I choose not to dwell on it.
shennel
July 2, 2014 at 1:47 pm (10 years ago)So a friend shared this article on Facebook and I decided to read it. It is very interesting the comments and reactions that are coming about as a result. I am a black woman who grew up in the Caribbean. I only moved to the US last year December. I was and am terrified about the whole issue of racism here in the US because I have never had to deal with it. AT ALL. I don’t know how I would deal with it or if I’d recognise it in its subtle forms. My husband is Caucasian and I move here to be with him. Before coming here I expressed fears about this and how I was completely ill equipped to deal with this especially when we have kids. As a teenager, a young African american and his friend ganged up on him and beat him up because he went on a date with the guys sister. The reason was that a white boy was not supposed to date a black girl. I know that there is as ndr
Natalie
July 2, 2014 at 1:41 pm (10 years ago)Great article, I couldn’t have said it better myself! I live in Trinidad but travel regularly to the States to visit my mom. I particularly remember an incident where I was at FAO Schwarz on 5th Avenue, with my mom’s employer (who is white) and her kids. I saw a pretty doll and I wanted to purchase it for my cousin back home. (the doll was white skinned) I thought nothing of it, then I noticed a black woman walking toward the same area and looking at the doll in my hand while I stood there with my mother’s white boss…I was for the 1st time in my life faced with a black doll white doll dilemma. So I’m there thinking if I purchased the white doll, the black women in the store would feel offended and if I purchased a black doll my mom’s employer who had now became my friend will think something too. lol it was just an innocent purchase on my part, I eventually decided against the purchase. However I sympathize with African-Americans and what the had to go through and still going through, I respect their views. Because whether we want to admit it or not, Racism is alive and well in America.
Eric
July 2, 2014 at 1:30 pm (10 years ago)Reading your article compelled me to provide you with a wholehearted THANK YOU!!! Born and raised in the Caribbean and residing in the US since 1999, I can testify that your article is not just precise it is accurate!
What my parents and elders have taught me is we live in a world of abundance and we are in control of defining who we are vis-a-vie allowing others to create that definition. Those who take liberty in defining someone are doing so under the guise of an ethnocentric or geocentric perspective regardless of race.
Polycentrism maybe misconstrued depending on your viewpoint; however, cross culture competence (3C) is probably a good way to define the experience shared in your article. It’s not about being submissive or being forced to conform; it’s about being comfortable in your own cultural foundation and respecting, learning, and sharing from other cultures without having to conform.
My Caribbean heritage is no way better than any other heritage and vice-versa; however, we can learn and accept each other’s culture and that is a life-fulfilling experience. Is this how it actually occurs, no; can it occur and does it occur, absolutely!
Thank you for allowing me to comment.
Best.
Aidan Neal
July 2, 2014 at 4:13 pm (10 years ago)Thank you for commenting
the truth
July 2, 2014 at 1:15 pm (10 years ago)i dont know iif i should say that this article is truthful or completely full of
s**t. dont mean to be rude either. but i myself live in the west indies have done my whole life. specifically in the country of haiti. although i did study in the dominican republic for a while. and i can speak from experience when i say that both countries are extremely racist especially when it comes to biracial children. i myself am biracial. everywhere i am in haiti people call me blanc. which means whitey, or the equivalent of gringo in the dominican republic or blanco. this means means that the society which is predominately black does not let you identify with both races that genetically have created you. this is the exact same which is going on in the states and i used obama as teh prime example. now that obama is president. suddenly hes the first BLACK president when in reality hes a 50/50 just like me. same s**t different day.
Jazmine
July 3, 2014 at 12:29 am (10 years ago)Who is describing Obama as the the first black president? Just African-Americans?? BTW, Pres. Obama self-identifies as black.
Alison
July 2, 2014 at 1:10 pm (10 years ago)You grew up in a different Caribbean from me…I’m from Jamaica, the place where people are busy bleaching their skin to look whiter, where people still say “nuttin black no good” and where I was told I have “bad” hair. I think those of us from the Caribbean, who come from places with a majority black population, should be a little more mindful – and less smug – of what it is like to be a minority in a country that did every thing it could to ensure that people that look like you and me were kept poor and marginal. None of us in the Caribbean ever lived in a society where our government deliberately set its face against us. Before you write articles like this, I suggest you do some research on the topic – you could start with a series of articles by Ta-Nehisi Coates on precisely how bad it was right up to the 1970s.
Allen
July 2, 2014 at 1:06 pm (10 years ago)Ah! The pretentiousness of the British colonies raises its ugly head. I thought it was funny in the early ’80s when I was first introduced to it by my Jamaican friends and it is no less humorous today. “If only we had more West Indians during Jim Crow, we could have easily reformed those misunderstood Whites”. Jamaicans are just superior to American Blacks. I get it. Thanks. By the way, are you in the Tea Party? You may find like minded folk there…maybe even some Jamaicans.
Nando
July 2, 2014 at 12:51 pm (10 years ago)Very insightful. You have described my experience in America and shed light on things I never thought of.
Michelle Curtis
July 2, 2014 at 12:47 pm (10 years ago)While I agreed with some points in your article, you have some grave misconceptions about the Caribbean/West Indian experience. I live in The Bahamas. Oh yes, we are largely a Black country with a small percentage of whites…and those whites ran this country for hundreds of years…oppressing the blacks and controlling all facets of this country until 1967 when a black man with a vision led this small nation out of bondage. In my mother’s day…blacks could not enter a movie theatre in this country. Or a bank. Fast forward to 1967 and beyond….RACISM exists in The Bahamas to this day…not slight racism…extreme racism…but very very COVERT. THE whites still have extreme economic power and controlled the former government like a puppet (though many would reject this notion it is true).
Dahima
July 2, 2014 at 12:32 pm (10 years ago)I do relate to Aidan’s article in general. I should point out that I have never lived in America but have live in the UK and other caribbean islands. I think its important to remember that we cannot generalize on such topics and everyone will have different view on the topic based on their own life experiences and can only speak from that point of view.
Growing up in Jamaica race was never a issue , though I was aware that there were black, whites, indian, Chinese … living in my country never thought they were different just because of race. When I move to the UK I experienced racism for the first time. I not only have to contend with being black but also being a foreigner (which sometime have its benefits). However even though I know it exist and i am judged by the color of my skin in to many occasions I don’t concern myself to look for every single instance where it could occur. I think its a waste of energy. I was socialised to be proud of how god made me and to celebrate me for all aspects of me not just one characteristic of who I am.
I do understand from my limited reading why African Americans are more sensitive to racial prejudice. However I would never truely feel how they do because i have a different experience. Both our asncestors were stolen from their homeland brought here where all our history was erased, however after slavery was abolished the American and the caribbean experience was different. We were taught more self love while in America blacks were still being taught that they were lesser of a human .
I also think its also important to point out that the “caribbean experience” is not the same in all islands I have live in another island where unlike in Jamaica racism it looked for in every situation where is does not necessarily exist.
Everyone has their own experience and I believe Aidan can only share based on her experience. We al won’t relate to everyone, this is one thing we should accept.
Warren
July 2, 2014 at 11:40 am (10 years ago)Hmmm it’s more complicated than that. But I will just say there are good and bad things that happen to a race when fighting for equality. Being hypersensitive is what happens but is it actually a bad thing? You really need to be on those cracker 24/7 or it’s back to slavery. Don’t think I’m exaggerating. If those black Americans didn’t fight so hard our little visits to the states would go a lot different. My grandfather worked on a cruise ship. When he stopped in Texas he went for a hair cut. By the time he realized that they were not going to cut a niggers hair he was so embarrassed he didn’t know what to do with himself. Anyway I could go on and on.
Everything in this article is true but I don’t think people from he Caribbean should try and compare themselves to Black Americans. Black Americans are much stronger and wiser people than most of the sheltered Caribbean community. They took on a super power and won. Jamaicans can’t even control their own idiot tiefing rass hole government. So when you flee to the states for opportunity know that it’s those Black Americans that paved the way for you. Black Americans have battle scares, lets just call it that and done. By the way black american spending power is 1.1 trillion dollars by next year. Correct me if I’m wrong but that probably makes them one of the most powerful people on the planet next to White Americans. Must be doing something right. Anyway, next time you see a Black American, stop them and thank them for taking one for the team. lol
TG
July 3, 2014 at 2:10 am (10 years ago)Warren, I love it. Yes, you have to stay on them 24/7 or it’s back to slavery. I relocated to Georgia and for the past two years have experienced intimidating, hostile and bully-type behavior from a white male co-worker. I used my channels reporting his actions to my superiors and the environment actually became worse. His actions bold. Finally, I got a lawyer and instantly the behavior stopped.
TG
July 3, 2014 at 3:01 am (10 years ago)BTW. ‘Taking one for the team’. Lol.
patricia
July 2, 2014 at 11:29 am (10 years ago)I’m confused. The Caribbean most definitely has racism. As a child and in recent years, grandparents and parents have shared many stories of having to enter a white neighbour’s home from the back of the house and not the main door. Of course, they were able to laugh while reflecting because they did not use the backdoor as instructed. Whether the delivery was fragile or not, they left it at the front entrance. They’ve also shared of not being allowed in theatres or restaurants because of the color of their skin, and I am referring to experiences of the sixties. A grandfather often shared the experience of being rejected when he decided to purchase a home in a white neighborhood. He was a very wealthy man and could afford it, but was unwelcomed because of the color of his skin. I am also very offended when I visit America and I’m watched from a distance by a sales person who refuses to assist me until he/she sees evidence of my ability to bring him/ her a great sale. At one point the feeling of racism was so great that I cancelled the purchase just to prove a point. I may suggest to some of us who have moved to America that perhaps the existance of racism is so great in your new country that you may have trivialized the existance of it in the Caribbean.
Aidan Neal
July 2, 2014 at 4:26 pm (10 years ago)“grandparents and parents have shared many stories…”
“They’ve also shared….”
“A grandfather often shared….”
Ronni
July 2, 2014 at 4:47 pm (10 years ago)I’m sorry but this comment is so condescending. We are affected by what the previous generations share with us, especially when we see how some things have not changed. It does not mean that Patricia is “living in the past” as you put it in your article and imply by highlighting that her examples are from previous generations, but it means that she picked up lessons from what what happened to her parents/grandparents that she can apply today. She learned that the Caribbean is not as racially harmonious as you make it seem in your article. And because of this, because of the stories her parents/grandparents shared, she view/interprets her world differently than you.
Pierre
July 2, 2014 at 9:06 am (10 years ago)I want to thank the author for posting this article as it is very stimulating I believe can provide healthy discussion. I think the author here has genuine good intentions. The challenge is, the context of the entire article. The author is coming from a “West Indian reality” having experiences in the United States and not as an African American from the United States. If you go back to the first two paragraphs this is where I think the author’s intent and the actual language kind of veer away from each other. And mainly because the author starts by stating that the “racism” is “more so perpetuated by African Americans” and the implication that its the African Americans that are delusional about racism and that they are keeping the immigrants from experiencing the true reality of America by “being warned”. Then in the next paragraph, the implication set is that it is the African Americans who are categorizing the immigrants and thusly scrutinized for racial ignorance, followed by stating that “the whole world has been touched by the angst of inequality and prejudice….but African Americans appear to have the hardest time moving forward.” implying that they, in fact, should “get over it”. Then the author compares African Americans “hard time moving forward” with “other nationalities” who “are heavily conscious of their ugly pasts but are not nearly as tainted.” Contextually, the challenge in the language here describes an unfair assessment and generally implies a host of negative connotations regarding African Americans to the point of having delusional behavior with regards to racism (again, language implication). Following the language of the article, from someone who’s reality is not from the United States, the author’s assessment doesn’t quite grasp the severity or entirety of the main issue in the United States which is, racism being the most challenging issue overall facing America today. Again I don’t think this is the author’s intent but the language of the article implies that African Americans need to “get over it” and “move on” like the Carribeans and the rest of the world regardless of the daily inherent and ever-present, subtle and overt sense of superiority forced on African Americans by the whites for the past 400 years. This is the reality of America. Now, my feeling is that the author’s intent is trying to see how we as African Americans can rise above this nonsense and live productive healthy lives full of encouragement, empowerment and love, not only for African Americans but everyone in general. And maybe the author could have posed the question about what steps we could take to be proactive and implement these positive attributes that strengthen our characters, relationships and communities despite the ills we face on a daily basis. Thank you Aidan for posting this article.
Aidan Neal
July 2, 2014 at 4:36 pm (10 years ago)All these implications…
And your welcome
Pierre
July 2, 2014 at 6:05 pm (10 years ago)Well, that’s your article.
Jay
July 2, 2014 at 5:30 am (10 years ago)As an African American I think this is a very interesting article. First off I always think its interesting that there are over 40 million african americans however we get judged by the worst of our society even though the african american has the highest quality of life and standard of living than any other blacks in the world. The racism we’ve had to deal with is very different than the Caribbean, ours was overt racism up until 40 – 50 years ago so the wounds are still fresh psychologically. My response is not going to be about defending the african american community however it is more about questioning the caribbean community. It seems in this article the questions are that american blacks are jaded by our chances in this society and blame racism for everything, well lets turn that back onto caribbeans for a minute here. In the West Indies the population is 95+% black but less than 5% share of the wealth. All resources down there are owned by whites. The Caribbean should be a HAVEN for Black Empowerment however Jamaica is a third world country and for the most part black people are living in despair and the wealth is going to whites in England, France, etc. The Caribbean should be a place where us African Americans should be able to go and live a life of prosperity instead of it being the other way around. So when a West Indian comes here to America and judges the norms of our society and our relationship with white america at least we have struggled and fought to get to the level where West Indians can at least come here for a better life. I cannot go to Jamaica for a better life, even though 95% of the country is black. To me that is a shame! West Indians have fallen for the trickiest kind of racism, the belief that everthing is fine in Jamaica, all is well, whites and blacks get along meanwhile ALL the whites and Asians in the country are owning businesses, controlling resources, etc. Sure there are well to do West Indians there but we all know for the most part blacks are very poor and living under terrible conditions. West Indians who come to America dont seem to want to address that fact or blame it on a corrupt government well if this is true it is YOUR fault because corruption can be fought. Lastly I would like to say this writers lack of wanting to address racism white supremacy in America is exactly the same attitude that has the racism in the caribbean the way it is where your lack of blacks becoming a cohesive unit to battle the injustices is the slickest type of racism, convincing you that black and white are living well together however the whites are the only ones generating true wealth.
Kristi
July 2, 2014 at 12:16 pm (10 years ago)Mention of racism is not about being defeatist, it’s about being real. It’s about the mental and emotional preparedness needed to succeed here.
Race is an American issue. It permeates everything. It is part of our heritage and culture. Don’t be fooled into thinking it is just a black thing. Just as a black person might lament that he or she didn’t get an opportunity because of his/her race, a white person will lament that race is the only reason a black person got an opportunity. Just look at any comment section following any Obama article or concerning any person of color for that matter. So yes, we African-Americans have been taught by America to be very conscious of race.
Also, as mentioned by some of the previous comments, the West Indies may not have race issues, but many other issues exist there that are fruit of the same tree.
Jay
July 3, 2014 at 3:21 pm (10 years ago)I agree with everything you said except the last part, the Caribbean DOES have a race issue and their race issue is a very tricky smart one. They believe because they live amongst all blacks that they havent experienced racism however their entire existence is a result of racism. The people down there live in dire poverty, they own very little down there. The Government sells them out and they come to America and judge our race situation here? They should be INFURIATED with the fact that all their resources are going to white Europeans. Jamaica should be a HUB for black empowerment with their resources, beauty, weather, etc. Not a Third world country, same with Haiti….Keep in mind conditions in Jamaica are much worse than here in the US so Jamaicans should be more concerned with whats going on back home before questioning our status in the US. This whole situation is backwards because whatever you want to say about the African American we still live at a higher quality of life than any other black in the world.
Toni
July 2, 2014 at 5:13 am (10 years ago)I feel that the author is referencing the control tactics ( ie the “acting black” police forcing people to conform to certain “approved” black behaviours and “standards”) more than anything else in her article. She made several references to this – having a diverse group of friends, going to places and establishments not heavily populated by AA people, doing activities that are not blessed as approved “black” activities, etc. These are control tactics designed to maintain self-segregation, and are largely levied against one half of the AA population – that would be the girls and the women. Those controlling mechanisms don’t really work well on us raised outside of that context. I’ve had some AA female acquaintances who have expressed frustration at the control freaks who try to steer them into “approved” activities, speech patterns and mannerisms by using racism as a strawman in these instances. I think this is the real crux of that article, and not real racism per se. There are more nuances to this issue. In the context of the Caribbean, while racism may not be a big issue, colourism (favouring light over dark skin) is, and if one is dark, belonging to a higher socio-economic group can and does mitigate or totally eliminate any colourism that person may experience.
Raven
July 2, 2014 at 4:33 am (10 years ago)This article… and the Amens in the comments make me sad. This is really divisive. I think the South African gentleman above summed it up perfectly. These opinions on African American attitudes of racism come from a place of privilege and it is offensive.
Natalie
July 2, 2014 at 1:46 pm (10 years ago)The only time I understood was when I took the time to study black history and see the struggles…it made me sad and angry at the same time. I am from the Caribbean and travel is the best educator to set things we thought was straight, really straight.
Nordalee
July 2, 2014 at 4:28 am (10 years ago)I truly enjoyed the article and the commentary. Spent the whole evening mulling through the postings. I have truly learnt and now have a greater appreciation for Black-Americans because truly I just could not understand their behaviour and was somewhat angry at them for in my opinion “not empowering themselves.” Jamaicanblackgirl.
Hugh Fraser
July 2, 2014 at 3:55 am (10 years ago)I can recall my early years(1980s) as an “immigrant” being warned against going to certain establishments and applying for jobs or even to shop because “they’re not going to help you”. I had a long-held desire to work in the banking/financial sales fields and as such often found myself as the single “black” applicant at many job fairs and interviews. I remembered a particular incident going to Walwach’s, which what was at the time one of the premier men clothing stores, to buy more suits and dress shirts, appropriate for my desired career ambitions. As soon as I entered the door a sales person literally stood in my way and asked not if he could help me find anything, but “why was I in here”. Of course, not withstanding the fact that I was taller and bigger than him, I proudly stated that I was here to buy some suits but I didn’t need any help just yet, and stepped past him. As the author so aptly stated, if you look for racism, you will find racism. Was he being racist, probably, but i didn’t care as long as he didn’t touch me. I have since gone on to work in brokerage houses and the banking industry spanning the last 15 yrs. I attributed my determination to my West Indian upbringing that ambition knows no boundaries.
Aidan Neal
July 2, 2014 at 4:09 am (10 years ago)No boundaries indeed
Warren
July 3, 2014 at 1:30 am (10 years ago)Nice! But, Black Americans where the ones that made the sacrifices so you could walk by the white dude without being hung from the highest tree. It’s like being raised in a house where your older sister takes all the abuse to protect the both of you and you grow up to become successful then proceed to belittle her because she can’t think like you. Why can’t they be more like us? lol Honestly, I use to make the same argument until I saw it on paper just now. A lot of people go to the states because they see no opportunity back home. Opportunity is there of course but you just can’t see it. I was raised in the states and came back home to Jamaica to find a way to make money out of nothing and I did. Why can’t local Jamaicans just pick up and make money just like me? I came here for opportunity that’s why. My mental state made me unstoppable. You really can’t ask a local why they can’t be like me because they really mentally can’t. This topic is so complex it would take a whole semester to get into it. I only hope that this writer has what it takes to look deeper. I actually took a class on the subject of race 20 years ago and I’m glad I did. In fact everyone in the class was glad they did whether they were white, black, indian, or chinese. There were a lot of things about human nature I didn’t realize. All I can say to this author is you are 100% right about your observations but you fail to acknowledge that there is a good reason for this and it’s not something they can control over night. These people are exactly like us. The only difference is where they were born. That being said, if you or I were born one of them we would most likely have the same mental state. This would indicate that it isn’t their fault and is more a result of their environment and history of abuse by the state. It is therefore incumbent upon the state to help them help themselves to get over it until they actually do. Now this article must just refer to lower class Black Americans because there are a lot of middle class and upper class that have no issues at all but are still vigilantly watching and fighting racism so that people like us can go on with our lives out of danger while remaining blissfully unaware (Forrest Gump just popped into my head for some reason). I’m all over the place because there is so much to say. Any way the instructions she gave at the end were over the top pretentious. Black Americans be like, “damn girl we didn’t realize this. You’ve solved our problem in one article with a simple effing formula thanks.” I love her though, she remind me of my mother.
Naf
July 2, 2014 at 3:52 am (10 years ago)I think this article in and of itself shows that some people of Caribbean-origin (or pretty much any origin) including this author, surely “Don’t get it.” Noting that not all people (of color or otherwise) characterize or understand racism in the same way is a fact. But, the rest of the article’s claims get a big heaving “Sigh” from me.
When someone tells you to duck because a rock might get thrown at your head, you don’t give them hell when the rock doesn’t come. You say “Thanks for caring enough to try to help me. I know you didn’t have to.” and keep it pushing. If you get hit and they didn’t say anything, then what? There’s a certain level of solidarity that’s being offered by Af-Ams in these instances described and reactions like this can be very dividing and undermining. If you don’t need the warning, fair enough, but if something comes your way and nobody said the obvious to you then we’d have another question on our hands….
What hasn’t been discussed is the reality that racism DOES exist in the Caribbean and it’s very clear for an outsider (yours truly) to see that while racial proximity is socially pervasive, socio-economic equality across all races isn’t. Lebanese-Caribbeans tend to fare better than many others in Trinidad and Jamaica, for example. And inter-racial marriage can still be problematic, though maybe not always between Blacks and Whites. But ask about between Blacks and Indians, and see the varied and layered reactions you’ll get. Don’t make me even get into the levels of colorism in the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico – also Caribbean countries/territories. Suffice it to say, that if one wants to be third eye blind so that it’s easier to get through life’s realities that’s a personal choice. But don’t undermine other people’s experiences and awareness, simply because you do not OR choose not to relate.
South African
July 2, 2014 at 3:24 am (10 years ago)I have a similar experience, but I disagree with you. I also read what you had to say about your South African friends in one of the comments.
In SA we didn’t mix. Apartheid is exactly what it sounds like, it’s APART-NESS. I never saw any white people growing up except on TV. We weren’t allowed in the same spaces. We weren’t allowed to apply for the same jobs. It was so well executed that I have family and friends who prefer Apartheid to what it is now.
When I moved to Boston at 25 I experienced racism for the first time. I then slowly learnt to see it, where I didn’t before. Then I moved to a different country where they don’t talk about race at all, and there are very few black people. When I eventually moved back to SA, I was completely changed, and so had my country. Everybody in SA now talks about race, all the time, because we’re having to be around each other, applying for the same jobs, in the same schools, but from very clear socio-economic racial divides.
The way forward is not to stop talking about race. That will just perpetuate things as they are. Furthermore, when you’ve been a victim of it, you can’t just get over it. There’s a story of a toddler who was gang raped, repeatedly. She now screams when she sees a man. Any man. Healing and rebuilding trust after someone has broken you takes time. And you can’t do it if they keep victimising you. You can’t not think about it, it has shaped who you are in your essence. More so in the lives of African Americans who endured it for centuries and had nothing of value to cling to about themselves.
Your stance is that of privalege. It negates what a whole nation of people feel. That’s why it’s offensive.
Joan Mason
July 2, 2014 at 3:16 am (10 years ago)I have to politely disagree with this article. I’ve spent exactly half of my life in Virginia and the other half in Jamaica; from my experience I can comment on the how misunderstood the African American identity is to the rest of the diaspora. In America as a person of color (specifically in the south) you cannot help but notice how ignorant people are about your culture, history and your people. At times you feel as if there’s a language barrier between you and another who speaks the same language. You can see and feel the tension of someone who is suspicious of you because you don’t share the same experience. My sister, black America has a wounded past and we have to be aware of our blackness because society makes a point of forgetting about it until February. I continue to look for my image in America because man needs to know that he is seen and that his story has value. Sister, you didn’t need to notice your race because your race was the normal. I also don’t believe that there is a lack of racial awareness in Jamaica. After attending 1st through 6th form in Kingston and then undergrad at UWI I can say that hasn’t been my experience. I grew up knowing I was black in the states but jamaica was the first time I became aware of my complexion. The word “browning” doesn’t carry in the states the same way it does in Jamaica. I’ve seen teachers reduce their black students and coddle their Asian and Indian ones. I’ve participated in beauty pageants and watched as the Afro-centric image was rejected in favor of a more “international” look. I’ve also walked in downtown Kingston next to rows of bleaching cream wondering who taught us to hate our image. I say none of this with malice in my heart jamaica has given me what America hasn’t, a cultural heritage that I wasn’t exposed to. The truth is my love, we have all have healing to do. Please be sensitive to the fact that our healing might be different and progress differently.
Pat Akinyombo
July 2, 2014 at 2:03 am (10 years ago)Blacks in American suffered severe evils during and after slavery. People from the Caribbean do not have the same experience. In Africa and Caribbean countries blacks are prominent. There are black govts black medical professionals lawyers etc so race is not an issue. That’s not the case in America where jobs housing and education is denied based on the color of ones skin. Black inner city children receive substandard education. Studies have shown disparaging discrepancies in the healthcare received by blacks. No one should minimize the struggle of a group of people. Just look at how president Obama is being treated. Racism is a part of the fabric of America, let’s be a part of the solution.
Rhea
July 2, 2014 at 1:51 am (10 years ago)I grew up in Antigua and never really payed attention to race issues myself. I saw people as people (still do). Come to think of it, I looked at an old school picture and I was one of three black people in my class of 15 but I really didn’t notice that until I was in my twenties after going to university in the US. Even now I am one of two black people at at my job.
First experience I had here was getting cussed out by a white person for saying “Good Morning”. Next day I also got cussed out by a black person this time and was called a snob for saying “Pardon me” in order to get the person to repeat what they were saying. All I could think was “Why did I come here? Americans are evil”.
I was consistently looked down upon by African Americans being accepted to but not going to an HBCU (hope I got that right) and was completely unaware of the fact that I was the only black person in about 80 percent of my classes until my mom asked me if there were any black people in my class. In the classes I had with black people they were almost always trying some scheme to get ahead without doing any work. I was approached by a guy who wanted me to take notes for him during an 8am class because he didn’t feel like getting up that early. I had an almost two hour commute to class and he lived in the dorm across the street and still I was the one “sucking up to the white man” and trying to “hold my people down.”
I was hearing some preteens talking about slavery and the “white man holding them down” like they lived through it which I believe is a total insult to our ancestors. I know for sure that African Americans have been through a lot and I probably will never understand but too many times the race card gets pulled for just for the purpose of being belligerent.
Aidan Neal
July 2, 2014 at 2:10 am (10 years ago)Rhea,
Once when I asked a coworker (black american)9i for the lavatory, she asked what that was, when I responded she followed with, “why are you talking white, who are you trying to impress?” Funnily, I don’t talk that way anymore. In fact, I sometimes tailor my conversations in accordance to whom I’m speaking. I don’t say things like serviette or sanitary napkins or lavatory because it frequently came off as snobbish or ‘white’ among my African American friends. Just last week another coworker of mine asked a Haitian American, “why do you speak like a white girl?”
I wasn’t taught to speak white in school. I was taught the “Queen’s English” and when I came here it was perceived by many persons as me speaking like I’m all that or speaking white…
nicole
July 2, 2014 at 3:20 am (10 years ago)Please never change you for what you want others to see. The queens English is not white, black, snobbish. It means your educated. Be proud. Your article is beautifully written and inspired. Thank you and God Blesd
Dahima
July 2, 2014 at 12:43 pm (10 years ago)I agree with nicole , don’t change you as long as you are not being offensive. It their problem if they are not exposed or accepting . I think some time we create segregation, what is talking white? Well once I was asked if Im sure I’m jamaican because i don’t sound jamaican. What?
TG
July 2, 2014 at 11:22 pm (10 years ago)Maybe this lady thought I was speaking white too. Once a white lady from Georgia asked me where I’m from? I replied Los Angeles. Next, she had the audacity to asked me “Where did you learn to speak like that?” I gave her the universal ‘WTF’ eyebrow raise. I said, “What do you mean?” The lady said never mind and just walked away. What?
ase
July 2, 2014 at 1:47 am (10 years ago)This article is full of ignorance. You have to research, in depth, about what white supremacy means to all people of color. All people of African lineage. I used to think the same way you did. In college I told my history professor that racism didn’t exist in Grenada. He schooled me. I knew nothing. The truth has been hidden from you. Give thanks for those who have tried to school you. Please consider digging a lot deeper.
suzy
July 2, 2014 at 1:41 am (10 years ago)Good commentary article. I’m from the Caribbean, and while I agree that race per se is not at the forefront of a Caribbean person’s mind, colorism absolutely is. The light skin, “pretty hair” women are still idolized—just look at the average Miss Jamaica, or the women at hotel front desk, or bank tellers. Self hate still permeates the Caribbean. The effects of colonialism are alive and well. Just try to have a hotel worker help you first if a white guest is around. They will trip over you to run to help them. Let’s not pretend that Caribbean people don’t have issues as well. No community is perfect and the scars of slavery are still visible, not only for African Americans, but for Jamaicans as well. Let’s all heal together, not separately.
Charmed
July 2, 2014 at 1:18 am (10 years ago)Absolutely Love this article and agree 100%. I do not think that the author is trying to minimize black history or struggles of black Americans or any minority group for that matter. But I do think a great point about preemptively assuming that every individual will treat you differently because of the color of your skin is an attitude adopted by many blacks in America. It can be so debilitating that I’ve seen individuals not apply for jobs or admission to certain schools out of fear they may be discriminated against. I think the take home point for people reading this article is that although we are different, concentrating on those differences or using those differences to influence your life is detrimental to you and those who will follow behind. The individuals who fought for racial equality did so with the notion that blacks are equal and comparable to any other racial group. I think that individuals with this heightened sense of racial awareness are the ones being disrespectful to those persons who sacrificed their lives so that they could sit in any restaurant and the front of the bus and even run for president.
Kudos to this author.
Aidan Neal
July 2, 2014 at 1:48 am (10 years ago)Very well said.
I have witnessed many persons rob themselves of fulfilling experiences because of a defeatist attitude inadvertently passed on to them. The notions that they will struggle and perhaps not make it despite all their work because they are seen as lesser to those who hold the cards. I have seen people give up on their pursuits because they are often reminded that their good enough, is not good enough. They crumble under the pressure they feel to be better than everyone else so that they may in turn be considered equal to everyone else.
TG
July 2, 2014 at 3:35 am (10 years ago)Let’s bridge the gap or disconnect in the article by taking into consideration the scientific process of man breaking and slave making. THE BREAKING PROCESS OF THE AFRICAN MAN and WOMAN: “Take the meanest and most restless nigger, strip him of his clothes in front of the remaining male niggers, the female, and the nigger infant, tar and feather him, tie each leg to a different horse faced in opposite directions, set him a fire and beat both horse to pull him apart in front of the remaining nigger. The next step is to take a bullwhip and beat the remaining nigger male to the point of death in front of the female and the infant. Don’t kill him, but put the fear of God in him, for he can be useful for future breeding. If the female shows any signs of resistance, do not hesitate to use the bullwhip on her to extract the last bit if b**tch out of her. Take care not to kill her, for, in doing so, you spoil good economics. When in complete submission, she will train her offspring in the early years to submit to labor when they become of age. In this breaking process of the female nigger, we have reversed the relationships. In her natural uncivilized state she would have a strong dependency on the uncivilized nigger male, and she would have a limited protective tendency toward her independent male offspring and would raise the female offspring to be dependent like her. Nature had provided for this type of balance. We reversed nature by burning and pulling one civiled nigger apart and bull whipping the other to the point of death—all in her presence. By her being left alone, unprotected, with the male image destroyed, the ordeal caused her to move from her psychological dependent state to a frozen independent state. In this frozen psychological state of independence, she will raise her male and female offspring in reverse roles. For fear of the young males life, she will psychologically train him to be mentally weak and dependent but physically strong. Because she has become psychologically independent, she will train her female offspring to be psychologically independent. What have you got? You got the nigger woman out front and the nigger man behind and scared. This is a perfect situation for sound sleep and good economics.”
“Continually, through the breaking of uncivilized savage niggers, by throwing the nigger female savage into a frozen psychological state of independency, by killing of the protective male image, and by creating a submissive dependent mind of the nigger male savage, we have created an orbiting cycle that turns on its axis forever, unless a phenomenon occurs and reshifts the postions of the male and female savages’’.
“The black slave after receiving this indoctrination shall carry on and will become self re-fueling and self generating for hundreds of years, maybe thousands.”
Taken from a speech delivered by a white slave owner, William Lynch, on the bank of the James River in 1712.
Pray for African- Americans.
Aidan Neal
July 2, 2014 at 4:04 am (10 years ago)1712.
I am not unaware of black history nor am I unaware of the heinous crimes brought upon blacks in the past and the present. The article has no intent to ignore history nor present acts. The article is not about whether or not black Americans have suffered or continue to suffer. The article does not suggest in any way that one ignore the past. I have been through more than my share of racist exploits, to the point that I have once feared for my life. I have had personal experiences of discrimination, not reliant on my parents or history books, and am able to say these things.
By sharing this 1712 article you prove the perpetuation. It’s so sad how much I have read that justifies present day ideologies that are so heavily influenced by a morbid past. It’s sad that ignorance of black history is assumed because I could not possibly know all you claim to know and still suggest that my children will not grow to see themselves as different from others or victims of my (or those before me) circumstance.
The article speaks on seeking out racially charged behavior when there is none. It highlights a propensity that I (and apparently several others) have witnessed, for African Americans in our immediate circles to play the race card. It is in no way meant to invalidate anyone’s actual suffering.
TG
July 2, 2014 at 4:48 am (10 years ago)Aidan my point is, that the psychological trauma remains and can not be under estimated or ignored and we have a very heighten sense of racism like no one else on this planet. African Americans have a very fine tuned and keen racism detection mechanism that runs deep our veins. We don’t seek racially charged behavior. We smell it!
Aidan Neal
July 2, 2014 at 9:10 pm (10 years ago)Oh I see. I do not underestimate how deep the pain, shame and injustices go, nor do I don’t pretend to be able to walk in the shoes of our forefathers either. I understand from many person’s outrage that there has been come implication that I have a disregard or lack of empathy for the African American experience.
I assure you that just because my upbringing was in the Caribbean and I have suggested to “err on the side of pleasantry” does not mean I have no respect or lack an aptitude of understanding the black American experience.
Thank you for your contribution
TG
July 2, 2014 at 10:22 pm (10 years ago)!?! Pleasantry!?! Your article is a gripe about your trivial observations of African Americans. Pleasantry would imply that you have empathy, are socially amiable or agreeable and not a grump. You are a ‘Narcissistic Carribean Grump’. My mother from Mississippi grew up picking cotton and my Father from Belize struggled to earn a living as an illegal alien here in America. I am a proud African American blessed with a blended vision. Sweetheart I can assure you, I am far more empathetic and much more pleasant than you.
Jay ESQ
July 2, 2014 at 1:11 am (10 years ago)Interesting article. I find some of the points though a little bias and primarily based on experiences outside of the African American experience in which history and the present collide. I agree that some African Americans overtly look for racism consistently in situations and I also agree that many cultures have overcome inequities based on race and are now thriving. What I think is important to remember is that only a few generations back African Americans were segregated in the south and black families weren’t allowed equal housing and educational opportunities in USA. Some of those children are now parents and grandparents of younger blacks who see things perhaps a little differently then a newly black immigrant. I assume fist generation Caribbean blacks didn’t have grandparents or parents who sat in restaurants to be refused service. I assume that they didn’t have grandmothers and fathers who lived in the states and murdered simply because of skin color. So I could understand why a Caribbean immigrant would feel this way. I think it’s also important to know that just as segregation and affirmative action was only generations ago for African Americans it was also only generations ago for our white counterparts so perhaps elements of race still play a bigger part in the American experience then a new immigrant would initially see. African American blacks as a whole are more successful and more educated based on stats in relation to other African or black groups world wide but racism still hits home a little closer in the hearts of African Americans who can recall a few generations ago.
nylse
July 2, 2014 at 1:08 am (10 years ago)I always say I didn’t know I was black and all that it implies, until I moved to the states.
Melly
July 1, 2014 at 11:43 pm (10 years ago)Love this article…..gels right into the topic of the UNAOC 2014 Youth Forum topic of “Unity in Diversity – Celebrating Diversity for Common and Shared Values.”
And as Emancipation Day is just around the corner, I share these words from the GREAT deceased Bob Marley – “Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds…”
Tanisha
July 1, 2014 at 11:15 pm (10 years ago)I tried to read this article with an open mind but it fell short in so many ways. Its not African-Americans who have built these insecurities and ingested race into every part of American society. The feeling to be made inferior is introduced in every social situation. Waiting for Superman and Geoffrey Canada does a great jub of explaining how people of color-Blacks and Latinos are tracked for drop out schools with no other options for success. We also do not have a choice in how others view our sons and kill them senslessly with no consequences -Trayvon Martin, Jordan Davis. These aren’t things we imagine. So the “formula” that this author describes is pretty insulting. I would agree that socio-economic class plays a much bigger role now, but when you look at images being fed in media,people of color in general are targets of racism and it’s simply disgusting. If you don’t believe me, go to racist Twitter to read all the comments made about Marc Anthony singing the national anthem at the World Series.
Kay
July 1, 2014 at 9:43 pm (10 years ago)I agree and concur with everything in the above article. As a black person who has recently temporarily relocated to US from the Caribbean I do find the racial discussion overpowering since racial issues were not a big part of my life for 40 plus years. I live in a city mostly populated by white persons and my husband and myself even at church or in restaurants or in events or activities often find ourselves as the only black persons present but it makes no difference to us and we treat them as we would treat anybody else we were to meet. If there is racism we do not know it or recognize it because it is not part of our consciousness. I believe most people will treat you with respect if you treat them with respect and in our experience all of the Caucasians we have met have been nothing but friendly and kind and approachable. Some actually reach out to us first. I remember being in a salon and the nail tech asking me about the race of the people in my country. I responded we are mostly black and that I was black and he was struck that I used the word “black”. That’s how we see ourselves and we have no racial hang ups where I am from about saying it out loud. This is a big difference in US. You feel you have to be politically correct all the time. It creates a tense environment because you cannot just be you and describe somebody as “black” if that is how you see them. I have experienced two instances of racism in two separate developed countries but never in US where I have been coming regularly since 2002. Those incidents did not affect me because I always saw it as those persons being ignorant and something outside of myself so it never phased my self-esteem. Don’t get me wrong all of my ancestors were also slaves because we had slavery in the islands too but that was the past. The past is not living my present life. We need to live with a positive outlook everyday. Smile at someone (any race) maybe you will get a smile back, maybe a scowl. At the end of the day, we all human beings with our own struggles. Don’t let people’s ventings, etc get you down.
Arlene Morris
July 1, 2014 at 11:19 pm (10 years ago)I think this article has put the “Race issue” in America into a very simple context…. it is much more complex than this.
I think Race relations in the US is a big problem, so I think Race should be a topic of discussion, we need to keep talking about it until some of the barriers are removed. We should talk about it in the home as your children are growing up, in schools, churches etc.
I am also from the Caribbean and I remember when the retail banks would only hire “light skinned” tellers, Racism exists, ask the Caribbean masses! Perhaps if you had money, some people might look past your black color. What about prejudices by the black Caribbean masses against other races that don’t look like them?
As I said, this is much deeper topic , but I appreciate your opinion, at least you are addressing the topic.
Daniel Lancaster
July 1, 2014 at 9:35 pm (10 years ago)You definitely showed your ignorance in this article. You write, “perhaps I am naive but what good is it to have this kind of heightened awareness”, well if you understood our (black) history, it would not come as hard to simply reason and understand the African American point of view.
What really gets me though, is the lack of thankfulness that I perceive from your post. When other nationalities look at you, you’re black, NOTHING ELSE. They don’t care what small 3rd world island you came from, and if it wasn’t for the strides of African Americans, and those (whites) who helped them, you wouldn’t be coming here to get the opportunities so easily awarded you. Your but would be in the back seat with Rosa Park.
Judy
July 1, 2014 at 8:34 pm (10 years ago)I do not agree. Growing up in Trinidad in the eighties there was racial tension among people if African and East
Indian decent. The East Indian parents would not be happy if their child dated to go married to someone of African decent. Most if the time if they went against their parents the only time the parents would come around a bit is when grand kids came along
Paul
July 1, 2014 at 8:28 pm (10 years ago)And I specifically was appalled to the claim that “Caribbean Nationals don’t get it.” Just say that you don’t understand and need a history lesson but please don’t lump all of us into the same boat of ignorance. I am very proud of my Trinidadian father and I understand racism in America and I proudly identify as Black and have a keen awareness of my Blackness. Despite the work left to do, I am forever grateful for the tremendous strides that Blacks have made in the US. These are some of the most resilient people on the face of the planet. These populations have endured and survived unimaginable hatred, struggle and terror. Yet somehow they have found a way to survive, live in this country, contribute mightily to the enrichment of a this country, and still love others who have mistreated them. The folks that have survived have beaten incredible odds and I am proud and humbled to share this history with them.
Ginger
July 2, 2014 at 1:54 am (10 years ago)No one is discounting what happened in history and what odds have had to be overcome. Her point is that don’t automatically assume that whatever happens in the course of your day, week, month… is perpetrated upon you because of your color. Slavery is more prevalent today that at any any other time in the world. I don’t see the people who are so concerned with the slavery their ancestors had to overcome even faintly interested in getting this under control… it’s all white people who are giving their time, effort, money, etch to get world slavery done away with. We cannot spend our entire future and our children’s future locked into the mentality that we were slaves and pass it from generation to generation… we need to move on as “Americans”. Teach our children to use their accomplishments to get ahead, and not automatically compare themselves with others in relation to their skin. Sidney Poitier or Bill Cosby would say, if at first you don’t succeed, try and try and try again… MAKE them see your value… work your butt off to BE the best, and they can’t ignore you… Where has acknowledging perceived or expected color prejudice (even if it’s there) gotten anyone except to reap bitterness and strife, and MORE tension to pass down through the generations… if you experience it, laugh at them for being in the dark ages and move on. That’s what I do. I get called an “undercover white girl”.. Apparently being born black and not subscribing to what the black race in America thinks you should subscribe to is a sin… I didn’t get the road map when I was little… my mom had no time to talk to me about color… she was too busy working hard to raise her six children, sewing, cooking, running her restaurant to even give it a thought… I’ve done the same for my kids… no mention of color is in my house… we talk about people as they are male and female, and how they present themselves, what field they are in, etc. What happens when we get to heaven and have no color? such a huge waste of time. History is important but it cannot be allowed to control the future… that’s why it’s called the PAST!
Aidan Neal
July 2, 2014 at 2:11 am (10 years ago)Thank you so much Ginger.
I must add that while child slavery and the issue of young women being kidnapped and sold into slavery is a grave issue that is in fact largely ignored, it pales in comparison what black Americans have been through. I must once more reiterate that actual acts of racism should not be ignored. That said, most everything else you have shared pretty much is on point and I do appreciate you sharing
Paul
July 2, 2014 at 1:41 pm (10 years ago)Well that’s embarrassing. You are doing your kids a disservice. Race is not the future, its the present. When your kids are faced with real life truths they will not know how to handle it or they will handle it in the wrong way because you never taught them how to deal with it. That’s a damn shame. For your sake and their sake, I hope your bubble of racetopia isn’t busted.
Aidan Neal
July 2, 2014 at 8:59 pm (10 years ago)Paul, thank you for your addition.
What is the right way for a child to handle/deal with racism?
Paul
July 1, 2014 at 8:03 pm (10 years ago)This is an awful article. This is one of the terrible calls for racial color-blindness which is extremely dangerous and is a mild call for cultural genocide. In America, Black folks speak up for their brothers and sisters that are less fortunate. In America, Black folks have a collective sense of Blackness forged through generations of struggle that have helped to preserve their respect, dignity, culture and history. Politicized blackness has ensured that our collective voice remains powerful and that our needs are addressed. There are serious issues in the Black community, but recognition and awareness of our racial identity is not one of them.
Racism is everywhere in America and exists whether you like it or not. Working past it is completely different to ignoring it. Blacks in the U.S. don’t need a lecture on race and race relations from Caribbeans. Maybe this women needs to take a seat and listen to folks that have lived here.
I feel like for much of my adult life I have fought the stereotype that Blacks from the Caribbean don’t understand what it means to be Black and this article is an awful regurgitation of those stereotypes. Ms. Neal needs to do her homework and stop embarrassing those of us from Caribbean descent who understand what it means to be Black in America.
Her anecdotes are silly and her story about SNL not having any female Black writers just further underlines her ignorance. American Blacks have struggled for many years to break barriers and the color barrier has prevented many from succeeding in different fields. With the exception of a few here and there many Blacks have been historically shut out of different fields and this wasn’t on accident or by chance. If Ms. Neal doesn’t know that then she should study American history before making these assumptions. I expect better form my Caribbean brothers and sisters.
Lowell 'OMtNI' Royer
July 1, 2014 at 8:02 pm (10 years ago)I can relate… Being blessed or cursed (depends on perspective) with the identity of mixed race, I was never dark enough to be black nor was I light enough to be white… I’m coming from many years of being teased as the white boy who doesn’t quite fit in with my black Caribbean friends which has desensitized me to racist remarks, and in traveling to more developed countries I was greeted with warnings like: ‘they don’t like us’ which I would just laugh off because I didn’t see the world like most darker toned individuals… I always saw people as simply people and appreciated cartoons that used weird colors like green and purple for their characters skin tones… Because it really just isn’t that serious… And whenever I was approached for my views and opinions on racist situations I would simply shrug them off by saying ‘I don’t see Colour I see People so you won’t get the response you’re searching for’… A long time now I’ve been saying we as people need to move on by letting go of this horrible past -heart wrenching for some, embarrassing for the others and just see people as individuals… And like you said turn off that ‘race-dar’ that consumes our minds, barring our eyes from anything that isn’t race related.
Val
July 1, 2014 at 7:15 pm (10 years ago)I agree with a few things Aidan Neal has to say in this article. However, i think it’s a little bit harder for African-American to just bypass their past. I was born and raised in Haiti where almost the entire populations are black. So that’s what i encountered on a daily basis. Life was a lot simpler for me back home. To be honest, i didn’t even know racism exist until i went to Australia and i was trying to go into club and they stopped me just because of my skin color. I think it’s a lot harder for African-American to let go to their past because they are currently living the past everyday. If you’ve watched the Butler then you will see racism wasn’t too long ago Aidan Neal. I am not saying they should keep dwelling on the past, but remember how things used to be not too long ago.
Joe
July 1, 2014 at 7:55 pm (10 years ago)One just needs to look at how President Obama is treated to see that racism is still alive and well. How can we just overlook it when we see it everyday. This issue will never be solved unless both sides change.
That being said, I’ve never let my skin color be and excuse for failure.
Antonio Davis
July 1, 2014 at 8:15 pm (10 years ago)I currently date a female from the Caribbean and she’s always nonchalant about certain racial aspects in life I sometimes complain about and I tell her you didn’t grow up dealing with things that I have from white people I’m only 24 and growing up in Louisiana I experienced lots of prejudice acts racism still exist and its not something you can forget about until its completely gone and that will never happen..n that’s the truth if your not from US and Afeican American you wouldn’t understand therefore your opinion is invalid…
Cads
January 25, 2015 at 2:18 pm (10 years ago)And what I don’t understand is that back people in the US and other places who are so aware of their past don’t use it to better themselves. I see so many sag their pants and act gangster and what not… Some don’t take education seriously. It makes it seem as if MLK and the others fought for nothing. We were given a push and now everyone is lacks and now complain about being discriminated against. The fight is not over and black people need to stand up and continue fighting instead of complaining. I’m from the Caribbean but watching alot of American shows I became aware of racism. So even though we were not exposed to racism we are not necessarily ignorant of it. Even our own Marcus Garvey fought for African American. He even spoke of emancipation yourself from mental slavery. You can let a racist individual get you down. Or prevent you from realizing your goal. There is always something that can be done. Only one thing I must mention I understand that some African Americans use the race card when not needed and I say that because of a famous vw ad with the white guy talking Jamaican and they said it was racist. Cause in Jamaica we have different races hence our motto out of many one people. We have races mixing here as well… Even though we are predominantly black some people have mixed ancestry. But it doesn’t take away from the fact that racism exist and that we are being lackadaisical in continuing the fight. All we do is talk. Heck if it takes violence then might as well. Blacks need to get up off their ass and out of jail and do something productive for the race. And not just blacks in America but everywhere including the Caribbean. Where we never had to fight so we became lacks as well.
uv
July 1, 2014 at 6:44 pm (10 years ago)Agreed!
Lettz
July 1, 2014 at 6:44 pm (10 years ago)I agree that Americans seem to be more aware of race issues than Caribbean folk, but I disagree with the portrayed image of the Caribbean as some form of colour-blind utopia.
The reason why Caribbean people have less of a “chip on their shoulder” than African-Americans is because the legacy of slavery in the Caribbean and the US is very different – the Caribbean endured a very particular type of socialisation during colonisation that African-Americans did not. During the years following slavery (colonisation) we were taught to forget that we were enslaved (something African-Americans can never forget because they live alongside the enslavers) and we were taught that we had been colonised by the “good” white people in France and England. We were taught that they did us a favour by doing so; they made us more “civilised” than those Africans, they made us Christian. We were taught that they then “looked after” us and in the mid 20th century, “welcomed”/”invited” us to their countries for us to find low-paid, blue collar work. Elders in the Caribbean will often tell you of their affection for white people and how things were “better” when we were colonised.
The national anthem of my country boasts about how the French and British fought to colonise the tiny island – in the Caribbean we are proud to be colonies and talk of slavery is swept under the carpet. We are taught in school about the native American-Indians who inhabited the Caribbean before slavery, but we are never taught about the African civilsations from which millions of slaves were captured.
As you grow up in the Caribbean, yes you see lots of black people in positions of power, and yes, as a child, you’re never aware that there is anything you cannot do “because you are black”. BUT, as you get older, you soon see that whilst we have a few token black politicians, and a few token black people working in business, the real wealth in the Caribbean is still in white hands. White people own the hotels, the telecoms companies and the banks (the main employers in most of the Caribbean). As you grow older, you quickly become aware that being “black” and dark-skinned is not a good thing, life is better (better jobs, more approaches from the opposite sex) if you’re some type of mix – white, coolie, chinese, whatever it is. Kids may start out relatively “colour-blind” but as you get older you quickly realise that all the girls in the bank and telecom adverts are light-skinned with curly hair; the light-skinned girls at school got more attention; the light-skinned girls at work got more client-facing roles.
In the Caribbean racism and race-awareness is not about resenting white people or being aware of what white people are doing to us, because as has been rightfully pointed out, there are less white people there. Racism in the Caribbean is about our own self-loathing, our own treatment of other black people because of the way we have been indoctrinated in the years since slavery. We don’t call ourselves the n word but in the country where I’m from we manage to treat each other just as badly without it.
Btw I say “relatively” colour-blind because I do not believe kids genuinely are – even from a young age kids are aware of people being different races; what they are not aware of is the social significance of that to adults. As a child you know your friend is white and rich, but you don’t know that she is likely the descendant of plantation owners and that her family’s wealth is built on the backs (literally) of your ancestors.
I am a St Lucian living in the UK.
Ekeama
July 5, 2014 at 8:54 pm (10 years ago)Well Said!!!
uv
July 1, 2014 at 6:36 pm (10 years ago)As a person from the Caribbean raised in New York City, I too disagree with several of your points. It seems like you have completely forgotten about the Dominican Republic, a country in the Caribbean, so obsessed with race, it went as far as to remove the legal status of Haitians born in the DR, their darker brethren. It seems like you are asking Caribbean people now living in America to ignore the systemic opression that affects all non- Caucasian people alike. Your perspective seems very privileged. As a dark skinned Caribbean woman, I don’t have to be “hyper aware” of racial disparities to notice them. It’s hard to ignore immediately being told I cannot afford a piece of furniture as I enter a high end store. It is hard to ignore comments such as “ni@@er.” Those were unwarranted comments to a positive thinking Caribbean woman. Your insinuation that black people “go looking for racism to know that it exists” is both naive and insulting to the collective experiences of people of color in the US.
Cary
July 1, 2014 at 5:51 pm (10 years ago)As a “black” man who grew up in America.. This isn’t limited to ppl of Caribbean descent, most ppl of african descent can’t relate to the blacks here in America… In regards to us seeing things as black and white… We never had the privilage of knowing where we come from, what language we spoke, or what God we were praying to… I say that to say there are people in this country who identify themselves as Jewish, or Islamic, then their are others who identify themselves as “Caribbeans”, Italians, Chinese. Or even Latino (which signifies language)… We had our religion, nationality and language stripped away from us… We’re known as black so we raise “black” issues.. A Jewish issue is a Jewish issue but a black issue is divisive because by nature it’s juxtapose to “white”… So basically it’s because we have no other way of identifying ourselves or the ppl who are perpetuating the prison industrial complex and gentrification other than by using the terms black and white… And secondly can you please explain to me what Americas immigration policy was towards nations of african descent before the civil rights era… There was none, they weren’t letting them in.. So we’ve been fighting since we got to this country only to have the ppl who reap the benefits of our fighting to say they don’t understand why we see things the way we do smh.. Perhaps if you don’t understand your not meant to.. Lastly I would like to say I’m aware that all islanders don’t agree with this article so in turn my statement is not directed towards all of them… You may not understand trigonometry but that doesn’t mean that trigonometry is wrong
Jae
July 1, 2014 at 5:47 pm (10 years ago)I am an American, living in JA for 2+. Through observation I understand both perspectives of such a controversial topic. I can easily see why you (those from the Caribbean) find it difficult to comprehend the constant mindset of racism in African Americans. As I feel much like you. However, I believe this is partly because Jamaica is predominantly black so the presence of other nationalities are not as prevalent, therefore race driven experiences are extremely minimal. Which would attribute to a limited understanding of what seem to be over the top racial awareness. But living in Texas, Mississippi, Colorado, Alabama, the United States period where the presence of all nations, colours and creed is highly prevalent the experiences are different. I was born in the North (US), which is very different from the South(US). The sentiments you are expressing about Americans and Caribbean are the exact sentiments I have expressed about Southern African Americans vs Northern African Americans. So long story short, your perspective is enlightening and well respected but it is limited to your life experiences. When you experience racism on a daily bases than the perspective of racism becomes an everyday awareness. For some, not all. Thank you so much for a great read!!!
Jody
July 1, 2014 at 5:29 pm (10 years ago)This article was on point. I got into a heated online discussion the other day because I tried to explain to some African Americans that I don’t and won’t get the reason why they get so offended by certain things because where I am from we don’t have the same racial issues. They basically called me ignorant.
Antonio Davis
July 1, 2014 at 8:28 pm (10 years ago)And you are because you chose not to understand there point of view
Tessa
July 1, 2014 at 11:58 pm (10 years ago)As are you for not understanding her position either. It goes both ways.
rathsi
July 1, 2014 at 5:24 pm (10 years ago)I wrote this last night after my housemates made the comment that they were being treated like the “black guys”. I’m Caribbean and believe me I think we’re blest to know that your race really doesn’t matter. So, here are my thoughts, unedited…..
Its not that I’m oblivious to racism, its just that its not big deal to me if you want to be ignorant that you are only flesh and blood, the same as any humans ever lived. Guess what that only means you too are going to die and you’ve wasted a part, if not all your life thinking & or acting like you are any better than another person.( I can’t apologize for telling the truth, get with the program!) Hmmmm……whether your skin is like ebony or that of a pearl, or anything in between, it doesn’t mean you are any lesser than another or you are to be hated upon or given preferential treatment. Don’t be fooled, or try to make someone fooled, you are wasting your precious time (remember the fate of all is death, even for a foetus ). Get smart and live while you can! I don’t have time to waste on listening to racist complaints, trying to figure who is and who is not , yes, you are entitled to choose how you live your life but don’t come to me with your racist comments (about any race) cause I simply don’t care about your ignorance. And then again I’m a nice person so if that is what you have in life to call happiness, go ahead find someone who cares about being demeaning and get drunk on it! But don’t ever hurt anyone or waste their precious time. (Or come to me in that regards) Anyways, I still have much love and respect for you, if you earned it.
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Philana
July 1, 2014 at 5:24 pm (10 years ago)I somewhat agree with this, but I also encourage you to really dive into slavery. Read the ‘Willie Lynch letter’ to start off. I do agree that we as African Americans do sometimes look for racism more than we should, but personally, this letter seems to blame African Americans as if we have no reasonable cause for this rationale.
My parents had their houses literally burned down by the KKK, I have living aunts and uncles who have no idea what their birthdate is because blacks weren’t seen as people, so births weren’t recorded. My mom has seen family members lynched from trees, so she passed on what she knows about looking for racism. If you “waited for it to find you”, you could be hanging from a tree within the hour. This thinking was passed down because that is how we survived.
Seeing people that look like us on TV and looking around for people that look like us in a restaurant is important to us. It gives us a sense of community. Why does that matter? Because we don’t have a history. It was erased when they sold our ancestors. They erased our names, and sold mothers from their children. We can’t back to a Caribbean island and celebrate our history, and reminisce with a family tree that dates back a plethora of generations. My family tree stops at my great grandmother because she has no idea what happened to her mother after they sold her to another plantation… Literally. You can easily leave a restaurant and know that there is a whole country elsewhere that supports your culture. We don’t have that, and you’d be surprised to know how a lack of history can damage a people.
Unfortunately, a lot of issues within the African American community is rooted from slavery. Many people don’t realize that the Willie Lynch letter is proof of why our community is so divided by color and by gender. Another good read is Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome. African Americans have been living/fighting a psychological battle that has plagued our people for 300+ years, and with any psychological issue that spans across generations, it is not easy to overcome.
Charles Houston
July 1, 2014 at 5:10 pm (10 years ago)As a Black American male I appreciate and respect the thought and time you put into your post on such a delicate issue and hope that you’ll take my comment as an attempt to raise awareness, ask some questions and add some perspective. You write: “African Americans also have a keen and often unwarranted sense of racial awareness.” Based on your admittedly limited experience with race-related matters in this country, how do you know what level of “racial awareness” is warranted? The crux of your article seems to be that Caribbean nationals grew up a certain way (and you make the unsubtle and highly debatable suggestion that it’s a better way) so you don’t understand why Black Americans are so uptight about race. But if you didn’t grow up here, chances are your parents and grandparents weren’t sent to segregated schools, subjected to Jim Crow laws, denied the right to vote or property ownership, or openly discriminated against because of the color of their skin. If you didn’t grow up and weren’t socialized here, you have the luxury/burden of not understanding or having heard first-hand or participated in “the struggle.” This isn’t a perfect analogy by any means, but if you join a 400m race at the 200m mark you can’t possibly relate to the fatigue the other runners are feeling at the 250m mark. You have fresh legs while their lungs are burning from the effort of running a race you just decided to join. And you aren’t to blame for not being there at the start – you might be better off as a result of it, but I urge you to refrain from questioning the legitimacy of your fellow runners’ race fatigue (pun intended) or wondering why their form isn’t as good as yours at the 300m mark. I agree that it is absolutely ridiculous to pay any attention to whose table received water and bread at a restaurant and I have no patience for that particular brand of racial hypochondria. I further agree that there are instances where Black Americans mistakenly assign race as the reason they didn’t get a job but let’s examine your assertion that maybe the reason they didn’t get it is because the other person was “more qualified, more personable, or gels in more with the team.” You’ll get no argument from me on the importance of qualifications, but as for being “more personable” or “gelling better with the team,” don’t you see that those subjective evaluative measures are often code in corporate America for “like us”? You’ve seen the studies about employer response rates to resumes with the right credentials but “Black” names, right? You may not be looking for racial disparities – neither am I – but my “racial awareness” tells me that I need to be aware of my surroundings at all times and that it’s not a great idea to venture out at night by myself in a small town in the Deep South. My “racial awareness” makes every speeding ticket a potentially tense situation. My “racial awareness” has taught me about Emmett Till, Bull Connor and Medgar Evers. My “racial awareness” has taught me about German Shepherds and firehoses and the true definition of heroes who led and participated in a legal fight and a world movement to do away with American apartheid. My “racial awareness” has taught me that Black Americans sometimes get it absurdly wrong (supporting OJ Simpson and R. Kelly or complaining about napkins, bread, straws and the like) and that our antennae aren’t perfect. My “racial awareness” has taught me to be aware of and properly calibrate my responses to the more subtle and insidious forms of racism that exist today. And just because I’m aware of these things doesn’t mean that I’m consumed by racism or looking high and low for perceived slights. As a Black man in corporate America I keep my head on a swivel and choose to react (or not) based on the totality of the circumstances, the information available to me at the time, and my own sense of right and wrong. I don’t expect you to fully understand the history of Black Americans’ experience with American racism any more than I could fully understand the impact and influence of European colonialism on the Caribbean nations you blithely describe as having “third world problems.” I didn’t grow up in your apparently non-racial, Caribbean culture and so some of its ways are strange and foreign to me. But I urge you to tread very lightly in passing judgment or assigning blame to Black Americans for perpetuating racial tensions as suggested in your opening paragraph. Rather than condemn “the black team”(welcome, BTW) for being overly sensitive or for not having yet pulled itself up by its bootstraps, consider how long and how hard we had to fight just to get the right to have boots and – this is important – that not everybody got a pair. I could go on and on but in summary: study American history and politics if you care to truly understand how it has affected race in this country, recognize that Black Americans’ views on race are both individualized and a compilation of experiences you don’t share based on your upbringing, accept that a certain amount of “racial awareness” is absolutely necessary in American society (you can substitute “situational awareness” and come up with the same result), and know that we all need to work together to increase cross-cultural understanding. Again, thanks for your post.
Sean Campbell
July 2, 2014 at 12:08 am (10 years ago)Very well written response Charles…I’m not going to speak for Aidan, but I did find her article insightful and relate-able. I however am cognisant of your points made and can also relate. It’s wonderful that you’re not typically dismissive but willing to share experiences. We should knock down the cultural barriers for all Africans worldwide
Joan Mason
July 2, 2014 at 3:50 am (10 years ago)This was so well written and as a person sitting between the American and Jamaican identity I agree totally.
Jay
July 2, 2014 at 5:36 am (10 years ago)Great points made here from the African American perspective, well written too brother.
Kris
July 2, 2014 at 5:11 pm (10 years ago)Charles, I couldn’t have said it better. I would very much prefer for you to go on and on. That was deep, honest, and quite insightful. Although I agree with parts of the article, I find that the author politely disagrees with every comment that has a view which doesn’t completely align with her own. If we are to understand each other better, we must take a step towards one another…not simply defend our own point of view.
Pierre
July 2, 2014 at 5:54 pm (10 years ago)Indeed.
Hu
July 9, 2014 at 3:43 am (10 years ago)I think we need to realize that this is one of those issues where either side will never be fully “right”.The long and short of it is that both sides have valid points.Although Black Americans do have ALOT of justified historical reasons to be racially aware, there is in fact a good amount of abuse and unjustified use of the race card.On the other hand Caribbean Americans have NO RIGHT to cast judgement on something which they are outsiders to.They can only speak about their own experiences and use those as basis for their own personal evaluation.But to tell an African American that they should ignore what they feel (justified or not) is not our place. What is the solution?There is no perfect answer.There are suggested approaches but I think that sometimes issues like this come down to personality and how we individually deal with issues.We will never always be on the same page.Some personalities might feel the need to be outspoken and give it to the white man whenever offended.That’s their choice, and we cant take that away from them.Some other personalities might see the glass as always half full and just work around whatever obstacles racial or otherwise that might be in their way.Kudos to those persons(and that is personally how I would deal with it). But you cant tell people how to deal with issues that affect them.It is each persons individual right.At the end of the day tolerance of people who are different from us is required. BTW Charles your response to the article is one of the most level headed and well presented responses here.All the other response with people getting offended are perfect examples of what is causing this problem in the first place.No one seems to be able to tolerate another persons point of view.Which is silly.We are all different and our experiences and understanding will never always be the same.The quicker we understand this is the quicker we start to make progress on this and other kinds of issues.This is the kind of intolerance that causes war and strife and all sort of negativity in this world. Aidan although I understand the context of your article and at the surface level I tend to agree with you.You have to be careful how you “discredit” something that you are not qualified to speak on.For example rape,abortion,sexual abuse and discrimination might be topics that you as a woman might be particularly sensitive about.And I dont think that a woman would generally feel that a man is qualified to speak on those topics because for the most part they do not experience these things.So just bear that example in mind when commenting on these very sensitive topics.
BTW No offense intended to anyone.Just adding my two cents to the discussion
Reesa Phillips
July 9, 2014 at 4:25 am (10 years ago)Fully agree with every point made. Thanks for presenting such a detailed and clear response, Charles.
Karil
July 1, 2014 at 5:09 pm (10 years ago)This does not consider how environment shapes perception. I did not grow up with strong racial awareness in ANU, but I have experienced extreme racism in the USA. We were lucky not to have been raised in the US. Formative years go a long way toward shaping the individual and culture.
Be careful that the pedestal you preach from is not built from arrogance and naivety. The author would have learned much from a few hours of research. Instead, she knows what she knows, and knows not what she doesn’t know, but knows enough to know that all that she knows is enough.
Sahara
July 1, 2014 at 10:12 pm (10 years ago)Perfect. You should consider writing yourself.
Reesa Phillips
July 9, 2014 at 4:13 am (10 years ago)Could not have said this better. Thank you!
jackiew123
July 1, 2014 at 4:59 pm (10 years ago)It’s so interesting how many of the non-american blacks find this such a thoughtful article and the born and bred here black-americans find this offensive. I am african american and I also find some parts of this article offensive but I do understand that all of us have different experiences that contribute to our thought patterns and you feel the way you do because of where you come from. But people coming to this country must understand that things are this way because racism is in the fabric of this country. It was built, managed and worked upon racism. And not just racism of blacks, but of anyone not white. We have had a very long history of unequality here that has affected our family members and us. We hear stories from our parents and grandparents that we carry with us and help make our awareness of racism more heightened. It’s just simply a part of our experience and I wish more of our caribbean brothers and sisters would recognize that instead of berating us about it. I personally have a very diverse group of friends and never look on anyone as they shouldn’t do this because it’s more “white” or speak this way because it’s more “white”. That is just plain ignorance and believe me there is ignorance in black people, caribbean people and white people. But Jim Crow ended in 1965 and change does not happen overnight or within a few decades. Not seeing race is just not exclusive to what black people need to get over, but what the majority of people in power, i.e white people of america, need to get over as well. It’s not a black or white thing, it’s an american thing and I hope in the future you reflect on that part of it a bit more in your wiriting instead of just calling out black people on it. I think that aspect of it would make it less offensive.
Aidan Neal
July 1, 2014 at 5:56 pm (10 years ago)Thank you Jackie,
Your comment was incredibly insightful and I appreciate it.
Sahara
July 1, 2014 at 10:17 pm (10 years ago)I don’t have time to nitpick through all that I felt was ignorant in the article but this was perfection.
laura Lee
July 1, 2014 at 4:50 pm (10 years ago)The African Caribbean slave experience was extremely different to the African American slave. After slavery in the Caribbean the slave master left and opportunities for true freedom existed. This opportunity afforded for forgiveness and healing. The African slave in America after freedom was reminded of the pass everyday and had to endure interactions that didn’t afford for healing. It is easy for me to forget about my ancestors journey because as I grew up I did have visual that reminded me my people were slaves or inferior. However you have to pretend to be blind not to see evidence of slavery in America. So let’s not try to separate ourselves or don’t show empathy for the journey of the African American.
Aidan Neal
July 1, 2014 at 5:51 pm (10 years ago)The impression that there is no empathy for racism and/or no acknowledgement of it is not stated anywhere in this text. Neither am I attempting to separate myself from a group which I belong. Racism is a learnt behavior. Persons 24-32 have not lived to experience jim crow, lynching, and other haneous crimes. We are continuosly taught not to trust and to be on the lookout for racism because of a past we will continue to perpetuate forever. The suggestion to not find racism in everything is not a suggestion to ignore it in everything else, nor is it a lack if acknowledgement for past and present realities.
Reesa Phillips
July 9, 2014 at 3:31 am (10 years ago)To suggest that people ages 24-32 did not directly experience Jim Crow, lynching, and other heinous crimes and are now perpetuating the problem somehow explains away their perception and reality displays a lack of empathy. You could not possibly understand their journey and you seem unwilling to try to understand why their mindset differs from your own and rather would like to pose a “solution” having never walked in their shoes. So many have already covered reasons why these issues persist today that I do not feel the need to reiterate. However, let’s be clear that there is a lack of empathy and understanding on your part and many of those who pose such solutions. I am so thankful that there are West Indians (my parents included) who do not share your views and have come to realize that these views are divisive. These views only cause African Americans to feel that West Indians see themselves as superior. While I understand that your perception is different from those for whom you are posing solutions, I think you really should instead be asking why.
drew
July 2, 2014 at 12:54 am (10 years ago)i will only speak for jamaican slaves and a few other caribbean nations. a lot of ppl won’t accept it (african americans), but the REAL difference between caribbean and american slaves is this; caribbean slaves FOUGHT for their freedom and took it away from our “slave masters” , while american slaves literally had theirs GIVEN to them. two totally different scenarios which generates two totally different respects .
Joan Mason
July 2, 2014 at 4:03 am (10 years ago)Woah there sir, have you heard of Nat Turner, Harriet Tubman Fredrick Douglas etc. Malcolm X, Dr. King….enough blood has been shed for that statement to be invalid. Black America had to earn freedom and be willing to die for respect. As a Jamaican I can tell you we don’t understand the true price of freedom.
DaNappyPrincess
August 3, 2014 at 5:37 am (10 years ago)Drew,
I am highly offended by your comment. We may have fought our fight later…but we did fight…also, our fight is the reason why your people can now freely emigrate to the USA and be treated like humans. Like myself, you are also riding on the backs of my ancestors.
StraightZeal
February 13, 2015 at 12:34 pm (10 years ago)You didn’t win any wars against the white man Drew, and you sure as hell can’t prove that… What actually happened was your island was deserted for mainland America due to more promising opportunities when the time came. So, in a nutshell, the Caucasians drug you over here on ships, forced you to work the land for ‘their’ economic benefit, left you the worst parts of the island to live on, and now they control everything on ‘your’ island… And now ya’ll are silly minded enough to say, ‘well I don’t see nothin but black people around me so I don’t believe in racism’… that’s so pea-brained… but I digress. The British still run your ‘exotic’ slave colony to this second, so kill all that caribbean independence nonsense. You niggas are loyal slaves. You control none of your natural resource industries and Jamaica’s a 3rd world country. That’s the freedom your ancestors fought for that AA’s missed out on?… If anything, ya’ll should be ashamed to even compare yourselves to them. Look at the amount of accomplishments AA’s made in the U.S. under relentless oppression (from the imaginary racist white people). I’ve been to the WI.. Why the hell are ya’ll living in worse conditions than them if your independence came way before? That doesn’t add up, but I’m sure it’s something you’ve bragged about. Ya’ll had all this time to build empires while free from caucasian interference and I have Jamaica and Haiti to look at while ya’ll scramble to get to the land of opportunity where “the lazy niggas” stay? Word…
#Black Wall Street
Tracy
July 7, 2014 at 9:25 pm (10 years ago)Thank You! From a Caribbean American woman!
Damion C
July 1, 2014 at 4:44 pm (10 years ago)This is a well written article and the topic hit the nail on the head.
Aidan Neal
July 1, 2014 at 4:43 pm (10 years ago)Thanks Adam,
The suggestion that one be passive about racism is one that has yet to be communicated on my part. The centralized theme centers on those who lean towards calling racism on what may not be racist acts. I will also not agree with Caribbean people being oblivious or unwilling to act when wronged. I have yet to hear someone call Jamaicans (for example) a passive people.
Raseedah
July 1, 2014 at 4:16 pm (10 years ago)Thank you for writing this article. Living in America I have always identify myself as Afro-Caribbean even though being black is the first category I’ll be placed in, I honestly cannot relate to African American culture and I am too deeply rooted to my Caribbean heritage to adapt. Coming from islands where our doctors, lawyers, politicians and business people are predominantly black; race was never something to think about whilst planning future aspiratons. Simple, education, hardworking and dedication was and still is the formula and a lot people migrate with that mentality; but from my experience and observations some (not all) African Americans oppress themselves without even know it
Sharonia
July 1, 2014 at 4:12 pm (10 years ago)This article was wonderfully written and quite accurate. My only problem with the article is calling people black and white. I feel that is a lazy way of describing someone when in reality no one is actually black or white. I remember growing up in Jamaica and the only thing that separated me from another person was our socio- economic standards. Great job on this article!
sherrie costello
July 1, 2014 at 4:03 pm (10 years ago)I ♡ this! However, my experience has been different being 1st generation born American to Jamaican parents. My up bringing was a mixture of both cultures. I was raised by my parents, who instilled in me the same values that they grew up learning in Jamaica, but American society also taught me different. It was a constant battle not being understood by friends. I didnt really understand their views on racism, until I had experienced it for myself. A lot of times my own black friends thought I was being a sellout, when I just didn’t understand why they were so angry. Still to this day I am proud of my roots because it taught me self love and it taught me that no person is different. West indian and Carribean people are some of the most loyal to their own people. It doesnt matter what you look like as long as your from the your from the West Indies you going to have their support, its just that simple. I often wish the same for America especially the black communties. First Love your own before you can love others. United States? not so united.
CAN ANYONE ELSE RELATE, NOT ONLY THOSE OF WEST INDIAN DESCENT, BUT ALL NON AMERICAN RACES. HOW DOES YOUR STORY DIFFER? WAS YOUR COUNTRY SIMILAR? HAVE YOU NOTICED RACIAL DIFFERENCES??
kiki
July 1, 2014 at 4:02 pm (10 years ago)This post is embarrassing, naive and so tone deaf. I’m Afro-Caribbean and you don’t speak for me. Our experiences are different from those of our American brothers and sisters. It’s insulting that you discount their experience with slavery, the jim crow era, separate but equal/racial segregation and institutionalized racism. Are you sure you’re not white? The privilege on this post is sickening.
Doug
July 1, 2014 at 6:30 pm (10 years ago)Now that is what I am saying. I hate when folks assume, this is a clear example of divide and conquer. I would never generalize blacks folks from different parts of the world. I respect other folks views but sometimes it kill me when folks generalize like this.
Rog in Miami Gardens
July 2, 2014 at 12:12 am (10 years ago)Exactly.
Also, I was born and raised in Jamaica, and though we don’t necessarily have to deal with the binary racial systems of Black and white, colorism is rife on the island. Why you think you got beautiful dark-skinned women trying to lighten their skin? Why do you think that a lot of industry is led by light-skinned or Syrian-, Lebanese-, Chinese-Jamaicans, etc?
Colorism is the grand child of racism, so I have to disagree. We do have racism in the islands, but it is “packaged” in a different way. But, at the end of the day, it is still white supremacy which is racism.
White supremacy is a global phenomenon, and all countries touched by European colonialism are prone to it.
Aidan Neal
July 2, 2014 at 1:18 am (10 years ago)The issue of skin lightening is one I purposely avoided in this post. Many persons bleach to achieve what they consider beauty. Those who bleach don’t do so to escape racial discrimination. They do so because of a skewed perception of beauty and self worth. The belief that brown girls are prettier and draw more attention. To catch the eyes of island men who have in more ways than one, gravitated to a “brownin”. They are not attempting to change their race. They don’t seek to be non-black, they seek to no longer be dark. Colonialism has impacted every country at the hands of Spaniards and the remnants of their travels and cultural impositions. The lack of self worth many dark girls feel is not just a product of racial segregation but what we ourselves currently fail to teach them about their beauty.That is why it is important to reiterate that no one is different and/or indirectly better than the other.
Thanks so much for your comment but the topic of “colorism” requires far more weigh in/debate and consideration. This is not however, the current platform to delve into that topic.
Thanks,
Aidan
Tracy
July 7, 2014 at 9:23 pm (10 years ago)Thank You! From a Caribbean American woman!
Yao
July 1, 2014 at 4:02 pm (10 years ago)Correction there: of the darker hue.
Cynthia
July 1, 2014 at 3:39 pm (10 years ago)We did not experienced sitting at the back of the bus only and if a white person comes in we give up our seat. We did not experienced having to go to the back window of a restaurant to be served. We did not experienced having to enter a building through the back door. We did not experienced two water pipes, two bathrooms one for whites and one for blacks. We did not experienced dogs being set on us or hoses turned on us when we sought human rights. The word of the Indian prayer “Dear Indian Father help me never to criticize my fellow man until I have walked a mile in his moccasins”. In the Caribbean after slavery we were taught in the same classrooms. Our parents taught us to look people in the eyes whether they are black or white no matter how powerful they are.
Danielle
July 1, 2014 at 3:36 pm (10 years ago)You have put into writing exactly what I have been saying since coming here 5 years ago. Thank you. I shall share on FB.
Kandace Grey
July 1, 2014 at 3:23 pm (10 years ago)This is so true, and it’s even more unnerving when family is the one trying to plant the bug in your ear. My step dad who is African American forewarned me that living in the United states would be so hard for me and I would not succeed, and when I did, it felt like he was not happy for me. It’s hard that we can’t connect because our views regarding these issues are so different.
Yao
July 1, 2014 at 3:14 pm (10 years ago)Every contribution on the subject I seem to appreciate, for it is a complex and nuanced one, given the sameness yet differences we share as fellow human beings. My interpretation of the author’s position, however, is that it is okay to not see racism in the frequency it manifests itself. That approach would grant you and I a less tense reality to deal with, especially if one is already at a disadvantage being at the barker hue (black). What Caribbean folks encountered growing up was not racism but rather prejudice. The two are not the same. With racism, one group has made itself dominant over another or others for the sole purpose of maintaining such imbalance relationship to its social, political, and economic benefit. It’s why racism is systematic in its nature. Prejudice, on the other hand, is not. Thus, the lives of everyone in the. American context, especially the prime target African Americans for the length of time they have been enduring racism, is defined by that phenomena. They cannot escape it; it’s that systematic. The psyches of a people who endured racism is different from those who were brought up in environments that didn’t plague the minds and bodies of a targeted people. Somethings are mere prejudice, and should not be construed as racism. Nevertheless, there is no mistake that whites are privileged in this society and blacks are not. Racism has to do with group, while prejudice involves mere individual interaction. In America one is seldomly not viewed through a group lens, especially as a non-white.
Aidan Neal
July 1, 2014 at 4:59 pm (10 years ago)Thank You Yao,
I must clarify that I am by no means suggesting it is okay not to see racism in the frequency it manifests itself. I am instead suggesting that one not consider most any offense to be driven by racism. Maybe you didn’t get straws with your water because the waitress forgot, ask her for a set before you check everyone’s table to see if they have theirs.
Raisean
July 2, 2014 at 2:19 pm (10 years ago)I want to ask you this, only because I agree with most of your article. The one thing I have trouble getting past is the fact that your example are poor examples. There is a such thing as subtle racism. It’s a thinly veiled racism technique that is used to show the person that they’re unwanted or not cared for without being obvious, for fear of being ridiculed for the offense. All races/nationalities do it. Thing is… If it wasn’t prominent where you came from you wouldn’t know what you were seeing. Thus, confusing something you viewed as not being racist, when it truly was. Though Jim Crow was abolished long ago, the hatred didn’t go with it. So, the obvious and not so obvious is still there. I won’t discredit your post, because I understand where you’re coming from, I would just hope that one day you will try to see and understand the plight that is faced here. I will say that the African American community does in fact hinder itself at times. This thug, hood, gangster mentality is not helping, not to say that all are apart of that culture. But there are many caught up in that and feel that people should accept something they don’t understand/comfortable with. Problem is that won’t happen and some confuse that with racism. But, end my comment, your post does show a major naivety to the issue, and it kind of feels like assn unrest to understand. That’s where people take offense to the discussion as a whole. I wish you well!
Jeff
July 1, 2014 at 9:38 pm (10 years ago)I’m from Miami so I’ve heard this a lot. It sounds crazy to me because the conditions in the Caribbean are more racist than here. The lack of education and Healthcare is epidemic. We shed blood to end the conditions that are common on every island in the Caribbean. Just because you don’t see racsim doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. There is a higher percentage of black people in the Caribbean but not universities. We built colleges and universities with medical schools. Why because we were not accepted into white colleges. So poor blacks could be educated. You guys don’t understand that mentality. Like most white people you see the bad. You don’t see the majority middle class educated from black colleges and universities. That travel to send so much money in the Caribbean. Tom Joyner takes 5000 people down there every year. You don’t see the companies and people that control your country and people are directly connected to colonialism or maybe you don’t care. But when I travel to the Caribbean & racsim is not hard to find. You guys are so far in it you can’t even se it. With the high percentage of poor in the Caribbean some Black Americans find that position laughable. It’s only from our sensitivity to racsim that makes America different. Otherwise we would still have segregation like they have in the Caribbean. You don’t see but it’s there.
Nyame
July 5, 2014 at 4:37 pm (10 years ago)@Jeff
I used t live in Miami as well and certainly agree with your sentiment. There are some Sisters and Brothers from the Caribbean who get it. One doesn’t have to go looking for racist situations to be aware of them. It’s very prevalent in the US but also abroad. We I first moved to South Florida in 2007 I couldn’t help but notice the seperation between our brothers and sisters from the Caribbean basin and those of us Africans who were born here in the states.
What the dear sister Aidan did not mention which I’m a bit disappointed but is a common them amongst some of our Caribbean brethren is that she like others in the Diaspora who weren’t born in the states have something that we Africans in America were denied, sovereignty. They have their own government, laws, currency etc while we do not. Heck unless we do some deep research, we don’t even know our native language. We were taught english and when we went to high school the foreign language options were spanish (colonizer) and french (colonizer).
Plenty of our ancestors were very positive but unfortunately massa still hung them for being a n!@@er.
Simply put, no one wants to walk around angry but we are at war, those of us who are less oppressed have a duty to our brother and sisters to not leave them behind but more importantly informing those who were born with the privilege to continuously oppress that ” We see you”. The days are long over that every other ethnic group be permitted to have racial pride and know to stick together without trying to prove how diverse they are to other ethnicity. Africans in the diaspora seem to be the only group that perpetuates this toxic ” naivety ” that this white supremacist society preys on to keep us at odds with each other. We don’t have to agree upon everything but one this is for certain, unity is key for survival and success of a thriving nation. Everyone wants to live harmoniously but turning a blind eye to problems wont resolve them.
Izlandprincess
July 20, 2014 at 5:04 am (10 years ago)Here in Jamaica our our motto is out of many one. We never considered race in our our culture. We have a melting pot of different races here just like in the states. We are indeed majority black but we don’t consider ourselves black but Jamaican likewise the other races don’t consider themselves white, Chinese or Indian. Just Jamaican. What we have here is prejudice in terms of skin colour regardless of race. So if your light skin your treated better than if you were dark skin. Hence the skin bleaching epidemic which has become a fad among a few young Jamaicans. I was never aware of racism until I started watching American movies during black history month. And to make it clear, Jamaica has one of the best education system here and the only reason why some don’t have University education is the fact they can’t afford it. So don’t berate my country. If Jamaica was richer we would have more Universities and jobs. Hence why so many of us migrate to the states. Also i don’t understand how experience racism in Jamaica. You’re probably so far in it that you think everything is racist.
Taj
July 1, 2014 at 2:54 pm (10 years ago)You put to paper exactly what I’ve been thinking for years. Americans are hyper sensitive about race and use the race card as explanations for failure to advance. Im not saying that they are delusional and it has never happened but its not beneficial to us as a people if we keep hanging on to the past. In Jamaica where I live, classism and education is the main barrier to advancement. Your last name (family connections) will certainly guarantee your success. Is it possible that this could also be a similar barrier in the US?
Because of history and the hype about racism, Im always so tense when I visit the US. Of course some white ppl are mean. Some black ppl are mean as well. However, I have this barrier, this mind block that makes me think that all white ppl will be mean to me because this is how things are in the US to the point that I dont even readily acknowledge when someone is being kind to me.
Ive been to PA and witnessed racism first hand, I found it funny and disturbing at the same time. I’ve also been to Florida and New York and met some really great Caucasians who made me feel welcome just to be shopping in the same store as them. I know racism is real, but is it as big of an issue as we make it out to be? More white ppl have been nice to me in the US than blacks. In my experience, white people are most likely to greet you, to strike a conversation, to query your accent, to welcome you into their circle. My best experiences in the US with strangers have been with white ppl. Black ppl have been il-mannered and vulgar for the most part. Im sure they are really nice black ppl in the US. I just havent met that many. Maybe I’m racist or Maybe its the same attitude that ive experienced.
This black attitude doesnt only exist in the US. It exists when US citizens go outside of the US. Ive been to really high end resorts in Jamaica to vacation with my wife and we’ve gone days without seeing a black person thats not on staff. The white ppl we meet are great, but we have this yearning to see other guests that look like us. We are elated when we finally see a black couple and try to reach out to them and are greeted with a cold reception.
Ive been to these hotels and the white guests are inclusive and wants everyone to join in on the fun at the swim up bar and black guests are by themselves complaining that the bar tender isnt serving them because they are black. And not because they arrived after the group of white guests having fun and taking shots at the bar.
Im not saying racism isnt real and its not an issues, but we have to change our attitudes and stop teaching it to our kids. I see racism as a personality flaw. Just like classism. Just like sexism. Just like tallism, shortism, and a whole string of isms that i cant bother making up right not.
Lets not forget the past but move on. Stop blaming your failures on other peoples flaws
Aidan Neal
July 1, 2014 at 4:55 pm (10 years ago)Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
I believe we are all on the same page as it relates to no one disputing that racism is not real.
Baron Marshall
July 1, 2014 at 2:23 pm (10 years ago)I can most certainly relate to this article. I remember getting curious stares from students when I walked around with my tennis racquet in college in NY. This was prior to the Williams sisters. But I also do have some concerns about the article.
I’m concerned about some people from the Caribbean who are a little naive about the extent of racism in America. You don’t have to be called a nigger to be a victim of racism. Housing is a prime example.
We become a part of the problem when we accuse African Americans of being overly vigilant about racism while we walk around thinking that everyone loves us, that racism happens to the other person, perhaps because of their behaviour. White America does not view us any differently, until they get to know us. “You’re not black, you’re Jamaican!”, which is supposed to mean they don’t have a problem with us. We should always correct them when we hear such nonsense.
To many of them, however, we are not only black, but foreigners, a double whammy!
Aidan Neal
July 1, 2014 at 4:51 pm (10 years ago)There is a theme here, that for one to share the thoughts as I have in this article, that one must not have been a victim of racist behavior. Again, the we, the them, and the us, is what I am trying to stray from. I don’t think it is possible to be overly vigilant about any form of injustice. People must make loud outcries for justice if and when they are wronged at every single turn. The article speaks on the propensity to cry racism when there is no racism to be found.
Irvienne
July 1, 2014 at 12:39 pm (10 years ago)I agree with you. You don’t get it. I am Jamaican and I did not find out I was Black until immigrated to US having experienced racism early on my arrival. I knew what was done to me was because if my skin color. They told me so. While we don’t grow up the experience of skin color in the same way Is there and tied to class. The poorer you are in the WI the darker you are and the more wealth you had they lighter in skin color. And while the N word is not party if our experience, we commented about skin color… Him black and let’s not forget coolie was s negative term used against Indians across the WI. Let us also not forget that class and it’s privileges color how even we as Black people see race and racism. The only was our sons and daughters will not see race and experience racism us when the institution if racism no longer exit.
Samique
July 1, 2014 at 12:31 pm (10 years ago)I have had this conversation with many nationals from the West Indies since migrating from Jamaica for University after high school. I have even tried to have conversations with African Americans that there seems to be an impenetrable wall around perceptions. Yes, prejudice exists but why is racism the only prejudice seen? what about age, gender, class? Everything pales in comparison to that. I also think there is a motivation factor inherent in most born and raised African Amercans versus born and raised Caribbean Americans. Our parents tend to play a huge role in the push for us to become scholars, so once you see a Caribbean national reach university studies then there is no or very little option for dropping out but not so for the African American set. I often comment that there appears to be a mentality present of deserving gifts.
I want to post out that of course there are exceptions to every group but this is what I have seen generally.
I also want to say that you should not confuse offense with ignorance. Some persons are totally ignorant of a situation and so they say ignorant things. It is then up to us to enlighten them and not go on the offensive. That will only make matters worse. I feel as if everything is offensive to African Americans and as one commenter previously said you have to watch everything you say and do so as not to offense them.
Aidan Neal
July 1, 2014 at 4:34 pm (10 years ago)Samique I do appreciate something quite important that you added to this dialogue. We should not confuse offense with ignorance. Sometimes it is simply a matter of giving persons the time to become enlightened. On a recent episode of Real Time (one of my favorite shows) he spoke on our general views towards gays just a few years prior. How persons like President Obama and Hilary Clinton have radically changed their perceptions of gay rights because they’ve more or less come to see it’s the right thing to do. He spoke about our nations hurried willingness to pounce on ignoramuses, when they just need some cultivated enlightenment.
Thanks for sharing Sam
Kevin
July 1, 2014 at 11:46 am (10 years ago)Most African Americans aren’t making hapless assumptions when it comes to race in this country. We still tackle very large issues. Even though Jim Crow laws came off the books they were still implied until the 80’s and we still deal with results (voter Id laws, redistricting and other issues that are descendents of Jim Crow that still happen today!). You may have lived in different environment in south Florida but most African American especially ones who are from the south still encounter the racism that you think we should ignore..
Aidan Neal
July 1, 2014 at 12:02 pm (10 years ago)I don’t think racism should be ignored. What was highlighted was the novelty of finding racism in most everything.
Thank you for sharing Kevin and I truly hope that you see the intention is not to ignore racism or to accuse an entire race of which I am proudly a part of, of not seeking reform.
My apologies once more if you found offensive. I am simply sharing my truth.
Leanna
July 1, 2014 at 3:23 pm (10 years ago)I am a black women . And this is extremely offensive . If you are not an African American born and raised in America , you would not understand our struggles or difficulties . So please do not compare and contrast your culture and ours ( which you know nothing about ) . Thanks .
Doug
July 1, 2014 at 6:21 pm (10 years ago)I am tripping must be because there is a race problem in America some of the posts act like African Americans are making this stuff and or staying uneducated or poor because of it. We know there is a race problem here and a lot of black folks here still succeed. Also to a person who says they don’t see race they are lying to themselves.
Jeffrey
July 12, 2015 at 1:26 pm (9 years ago)Kevin, How do You figure “Voter ID laws are discriminatory”? Since 1972 Federal law states a person must show a photo ID, within the first 72hours of employment. In 1981 You had to show Your SS /Right to card “green card “. Since 1978 a Person has to show a photo ID and Birth certificates to apply for Unemployment, Disability and Welfare. Since 9-11 Banks have to keep a current copy of Your photo ID on file in order for You to have a bank account. So let’s look at it this way, If You have a job, getting a pay check be You lost Your job, Have a physical/ Mental reason You can’t work and collecting SSI or currently on Welfare for whatever reason. You’ve had to show a photo ID. Most States offer free State ID’s to the indigent. It’s a little racist of You to think “Only Blacks and Minorities ” are poor. This is what that Young lady was talking about, You went looking for Racism where there wasn’t any.
RP
July 12, 2015 at 3:00 pm (9 years ago)This might help you understand what Kevin was referring to when he mentioned voter ID laws being discriminatory: http://theweek.com/articles/442819/everything-need-know-about-voter-controversy
CrissCain
July 1, 2014 at 11:29 am (10 years ago)Thank you, for this article.
Aidan Neal
July 1, 2014 at 11:56 am (10 years ago)Thanks so much for enjoying it!
Tanesha B
July 1, 2014 at 7:53 am (10 years ago)I am so happy to have read this article . I attended grad school with mostly Causcasians and a few African Americans. We once had a discussion about race and an African American got upset at me because I said I don’t think everything should be about race . As a Jamaican , I don’t see race . I see morals , intellect and attitude towards self. However , I have noticed that my outlook is quite different and have been told ” it’s because your Jamaican , not Black”. I guess different labels make you different things .
Aidan Neal
July 1, 2014 at 10:40 am (10 years ago)This is precisely what I am trying to highlight. I am told so often by my African American friends that I don’t get it and that I am offensive because I am not on their side. Why do I have to align with everything my race is ticked off about? Why the automatic assumption that I have picked a side.
It makes everything you say so unpopular that you resolve to not forming opinions about anything. The Donald Sutherland case ticked me off just as much as anyone else. But God forbid that I was just as outraged that it is perfectly admissible for people to record my private conversations.
Why must anything that is remotely in disagreement with a present stance be taken as an immediate lashing out against my own people. Why am I casted out because my views on a situation aren’t the same as yours.
Sean Campbell
July 1, 2014 at 11:39 pm (10 years ago)I remember my new barber in Chicago asking me if I was ‘black or Jamaican’…lol
Anthony S. Cottman
July 3, 2014 at 11:38 am (10 years ago)Why do you not see race, when God made you a specific way which is tied to race. Is what God done not right or good enough for you. Who do you serve, man or God?
Joy
July 1, 2014 at 7:34 am (10 years ago)This is a very well written article, and I see a lot of myself in this when I moved to the US 16 years ago. I was appalled to go to church in New Rochelle, NY and hear the leaders talk about race and the “white man” time and time again… I just didn’t get it and never thought I would. While I experienced a few incidences in NY, for instance obviously being followed suspiciously in stores, there was nothing that truly made me feel extremely uncomfortable. Fast forward 11 years and a move to the North West AND having kids, I finally get it. I understand the need to talk about racism in America, and to highlight incidences when it occurs–I’m still trying to figure out the balance between when to ignore and when to speak up. I can’t begin to explain the distain and hate that is communicated in just the look that someone would give to a black person without knowing anything about them (it’s a lot more noticeable and harder to ignore when it happens on a daily basis), and that’s not even including the way you’re treated at doctors offices etc. I feel extremely grateful that I didn’t grow up in that kind of environment. But now I have two amazing kids and I’m experiencing with my older child (she’s 4) what it truly is to be black in American (at least in these neck of the woods). I’m realizing that I had many misconceptions about blacks in America–why so many of them drop out of school for instance. While there might be some truth to some of these notions, there are many blacks who face systematic oppression starting as early as preschool. I don’t want to get into personal details, but having experienced what my family has, I’m a lot more sensitive to the issue of racism in America, and so can see how this article can be offensive to an African American. I completely understand what you’re saying though… You don’t have to notice every little thing. And truly if you look hard enough you can always find something. We currently live in a very white neighborhood, in a very white city, and we get along great with our neighbors. My daughter was once called a “weirdo” for using big words by a neighbor (who’s also a teacher). Thankfully weirdo was not a word in my child’s vocabulary and so she simply ignored it. I decided not to make a big deal about it unless she does something like that again. Jamaica is one great country, and I’m so proud and grateful that it’s the land of my birth.
Aidan Neal
July 1, 2014 at 11:11 am (10 years ago)Joy,
Thank you so much for sharing. I truly have no intentions of dismissing the fact that racism is very real, in this country as it is in several others. As I stated just moments ago, I live in a highly diverse area and in the 15 years I have lived here I have experienced racism in several ways, including being held at the back of a store for suspicion of shop lifting.
I am not devaluing what others have been and continue to go through. I am not implying that we pretend things are just great. I am proposing that we not take it everywhere with us, and I am only speaking to those who may continue to do so. I am not implying that ALL African Americans play the race card. I am speaking on personal experiences, where persons my age (a 24-32 demographic) who grew up in comfortably diverse settings and had the best opportunities, living in a melting pot like South Florida have been cultivated to see themselves as an “us” and others as “them.” Persons who enter every room counting the number of black persons they see. Friends who say to me at work, “I don’t know why you trust that white woman, you’re gonna see how fast she’ll turn on you,” or “best believe if it’s you or Jane White, Jane is gonna get that vacation.” And if I get the vacation, they in turn say, “well she probably did it cause she knows we would have made a big deal.” When I rebut and say, “the vacations are done by seniority, I’ve been here longer so I got it.” Then I get that “mmhmm, poor girl still don’t understand how things work.” When it’s not that then we get to the “Spanish are taking over,” but that’s a whole new can of worms.
This article is not a reflection of persons valid reactions to unthinkable behavior. I would hate that anyone feels their pain and/or struggle has been invalidated here. For every real issue that must be tackled and fought for, Trayvon Martin for example, another one simply unworthy of mention, Gwyneth Paltrow singing N**gas in Paris at her best friend’s husband’s concert is sharing headlines.
Nicola
July 1, 2014 at 5:58 am (10 years ago)Well written. So relatable. I was born in London and raised in the Caribbean. Something which I am grateful for on a daily basis. My sister in America is a successful black American. She was berated for marrying outside her race by a stranger in the street. What? He’s West Indian too. Guess they assumed he was Chinese(he’s way more races than that. LOL). I’m not colour blind or immune to racism. But being Caribbean raised I’m lucky to be more.
Andrew
July 1, 2014 at 5:34 am (10 years ago)What a superb article. I have a black father and white mother; there were the occasional jibes, but I never really noticed or paid attention to race whatsoever growing up in Jamaica. I had a similar experience to yours when I moved to the UK, which was surprising considering Jamaica’s past is arguably worse than most.
As I’ve often said: the path to racial equality is not the recognition of each race in various situations, but rather the complete disregard of race in the first place.
Aidan Neal
July 1, 2014 at 10:43 am (10 years ago)I love that line Andrew,
“the path to racial equality is not the recognition of each race in various situations, but rather the complete disregard of race in the first place.”
That pretty much sums it all up there
Graham
July 1, 2014 at 5:18 am (10 years ago)Great article. Been thinking about this a lot.
Kevin
July 1, 2014 at 5:02 am (10 years ago)I don’t know what to think of this article. It’s great that you haven’t been “touched” by racism in this country and you come from a place from where the population is more homogenous than here, but to read some of the notions you put in this blog is somewhat offensive to quite a few African American people who aren’t too far removed from Jim Crow and segregationist policy that slowly faded within the last 30 years.
Aidan Neal
July 1, 2014 at 10:35 am (10 years ago)Oh I have very much been touched by racism in several ways since I’ve lived here. I have come upon several bad experiences, one of which involved me and a group of friends being chased by two men in a pick up truck with lights glaring behind us as we made a wrong turn off the Yeehaw junction heading from Georgia back home to Florida. Another included a nearly $400 ticket I got for driving about 10 miles over the speed limit citing things like sleet and snow and recklessness. I was once bypassed at a restaurant while several Caucasians were served, and this is in Pembroke Pines, a highly diverse area. I have several other stories.
I’m not sure why the impression that I have not been touched by racism came off. Despite those experiences I choose to not be reckless with my assumptions.
Again, my intent is not at all to be offensive but to highlight that our racial sensitivities do, if even in a minuscule way contribute to the tensions and at times can be unwarranted. Thirty years ago was 1984, Jim Crow laws came to a halt in 1965. I am not disputing that 400+ years is to be forgotten or disimpacted on a future generation. Nor am I saying it’s been 40 years get over it. I wouldn’t dare imply that and I hope that is not what you’ve perceived. I am saying for change to truly come we also have to change our thoughts. To reiterate, I did not mean to imply that racism doesn’t touch Caribbean Americans. We’re black Americans as well. The nation sees us no differently. I’m simply highlighting that our propensity to be open to a more progressive future.
DJ
July 20, 2015 at 3:41 am (9 years ago)My old high school in Georgia just stopped having separate black and white homecoming queens in 1997. Another school in Georgia just had it’s first integrated prom between 2009 and 2011. We still have quite a ways to go.
Denise
July 1, 2014 at 4:58 am (10 years ago)Great article…good read
Wolfguru
July 1, 2014 at 3:48 am (10 years ago)This. is. just. perfect. I find it surprising how quick African-Americans themselves will gravitate to the issue of race. Being Caribbean I find it perplexing how they think that every little thing in every aspect of their life has something to do with their race. I agree with you wholly. If you are naive for choosing to not look for the supposed racism in everything then believe me you are not alone. Even before I moved to the US I had many friends of different races and even now I’ve made new friends of multiple races. And the surprising thing? It feels like nothing changed. I still see them as people, not black or white or asian but people. Just wish my skeptical dad would too but I guess its up to my generation to set things right haha.
Samantha
July 1, 2014 at 3:03 am (10 years ago)Great article, I am a white, jewish, jamaican . When I came to the U.S. for school I found myself gravitating towards the other Caribbean students, I was the only ‘white’ person in our group. I never thought anything of it… My friends didnt either….. It wasn’t until we were walking through campus one night and passed another group of students I heard one girl say… ‘Shes just trying to be black.’ I wasn’t trying to be anything other than myself. That remark has always stuck with me…..
Aidan Neal
July 1, 2014 at 3:23 am (10 years ago)I’m sorry Samantha. It’s just so ignorant. I once went skiing with some friends of mine, an eclectic group, and when I got back from my trip a close friend of mine said, “You and all these white things u keep trying to do.” I won’t pretend that there are somethings that find common place among some groups, but I don’t ascribe to anything belonging to anyone group. The best thing is to continuously be true to ourselves in all we do
Samantha
July 1, 2014 at 3:29 am (10 years ago)I totally agree, I just want to experience as many things as possible. If everyone could just have an open mind and see passed the colour this world would be a much better place :).
Patrece
July 1, 2014 at 2:35 am (10 years ago)Nice article. I can definitely relate. Caribbean ppl are basically not race prejudice per se but more class prejudice with a touch of bourgeoisie.
Jackie Harriott
July 10, 2015 at 3:07 am (9 years ago)Growing up in Jamaica for me was interesting! It was a time when colour and class were intricately woven together for the most part on the social ladder. The vast majority of people of dark complexion were poor and struggling, with little or no education. My early childhood years were spent in a school where racism/classism was more than palpable. If you were white, Oriental, Indian, Arab or a mixture of any kind, you were accepted. This was surely not the general experience of the average Jamaican child. Nonetheless, these inequities were alive and well and I felt the brunt of many insults directed at the handful of black children there at the time.
If your skin was dark, you had to have a solid upper class and/or a well known high society status to be accepted within the inner circles of students and teachers alike. Yes, those years were spent with children from many famous and well to do Jamaican families, as well as children of white expatriates. Many kids were driven to school by a chauffeur clad in a white shirt and black bow tie. This gave me a front seat in the arena of bigotry and hypocrisy; a seat I wish I never had to occupy, even though I came away with a wealth of first hand sociological knowledge.
We did not have the Jim Crow Laws written on paper like the USA, but there were areas of prejudice that cut deeply into the soul of it’s victims, causing serious wounds, and to a certain extent, hampered economic and even educational advancement. It was not uncommon for children to be warned regarding marrying ‘black’ partners. Rarely did one find more than one token black person, if any, working in the banks or high profile places of business at that time.
I remember a certain dark-skinned student getting almost royal treatment, because her daddy was a prominent politician and very famous member of parliament. I have seen another girl of the same skin shade, but of no high social status, had her shoes thrown through the window by the teacher, because she dared to ease her feet out on a very hot day. This action was followed by a barrage of insults, as she was ordered out of the classroom to go fetch them and return with them on her feet. Thank God things are far different now, but we have been greatly traumatized by those times when blacks were identified largely by the words ‘ugly’ ‘ignorant’ ‘illiterate’ ‘maid’ ‘gardener boy’ ‘higgler’ ‘labourer’ and were relegated to the lowest rung on the social ladder.
C
July 1, 2014 at 2:21 am (10 years ago)Words cannot describe how much this article means for me. I’ve recently migrated to the states and the state of affairs here as it relates to race can be so discouraging for so many of the reasons you outlined. I began to wonder if i grew up in some idealist glass house or whether my upbringing as someone with dark skin who did not think about race before high school was an anomaly. I’m glad you not only share my exact experiences but that you articulated so many of the sentiments that have been circling in my head for over a year now but that you did it so gracefully. Great inspiring post and it was very well written.
Aidan Neal
July 1, 2014 at 2:26 am (10 years ago)Thank you. I’m very pleased that it connected with you, and that at the very least you know your sentiments are shared by many
Sean Campbell
July 1, 2014 at 1:00 am (10 years ago)Very well written, and I, myself can relate; as I went to the U.S. when I was 20 for college and some work. I had many friends of all shades in Chicago, but then realized that if I was hanging with my white friends, my black friends weren’t there; and vice versa. Also, what was quite shocking was the attrition rate of the black college students versus the white ones, as well as the chosen seating positions on a packed EL (train)…you’re absolutely right. Anyone who will not or cannot relate, may just be an African American…
Aidan Neal
July 1, 2014 at 1:34 am (10 years ago)It seems the sentiments are quite heavily shared Sean. Glad you enjoyed the post
Clyde Shaw
June 30, 2014 at 10:48 pm (10 years ago)I like this post and the deliberate naiveté it forwards; well written and honest. I can identify with it quite a bit. I can empathise with foreign cultures as I have worked in quite a few contexts but the one that seems most easily offended are Americans in general. Whether black, white or whatever other classification that exists there, there always seems like there is something that can’t be said; or everything that is said means something negative etc etc etc.
While on vacation once a white dentist with an office on the cusp of central park stopped fixing a messed up filling I had because he couldn’t believe my wife and I had degrees. I found it hilarious but not offensive but many of my relatives who were born there did; simply because it was because of my race and the fact that I was Jamaican. Ironically my parents would have considered us failures if we ONLY had first degrees!
And this is exactly why those of us from the Caribbean live in the US we do so very well (apart from the bad apples: and even they are good at what they do). We are shackled by the expectations placed on race. There are West Indians working in every single large corporation in America! We’re not concerned with race unless yuh a try supp’n! O!
One love!
Aidan Neal
July 1, 2014 at 12:09 am (10 years ago)Precisely Clyde. One would be surprised how far they can go when they concern themselves with the right thing. While your behavior toward the dentist is commendable, that kind of behavior is intolerable and should not be ignored. It’s unfortunate that this persists. I must reiterate that the behavior I hope to eradicate is the expectation of offense from what can be deemed inoffensive behavior, not the ignoring of actually offensive behavior.
Nush
July 2, 2014 at 9:29 am (10 years ago)” that kind of behaviour is intolerable and should not be ignored.” Are you confusing ignorance with racism? It didn’t seem that the dentist refused to treat them because of race, just that he had never before considered that possibility that they had/ could have such a good education. But because she reacted well and with love and tolerance, they could have a conversation and now that dentist is more open minded for it. He will not assume such a thing again, and that is progress. I am mixed race, Caribbean and brown. Many of my brown family have never visited the Caribbean. My uncle once looked at me with a concerning glance and said “Gosh, it must be so difficult there. So many problems”. I was shocked he could think that because my island is just as progressive as the Western world, but then, he is not being racist. It is his limited knowledge of the world in which he lives and what he sees on the news. Often people think that Jamaica is the only Caribbean island and that’s where I am returning to every year. Yah no…its one of the other hundred or so. In my world its normal, to others, its alien, and sometimes others are alien to me too.
I think it harms relationships between communities when people react badly to ignorance and confuse it with racism. If we approach each other with tolerance and and open heart, we could affect change more easily by educating people with open conversations. Cultures are so different between races not just black white, but Indian, Arab, Chinese etc. and its so fascinating to learn about how the other half lives because we ALL have ignorances, even African Americans, towards any other hundreds of races in the world. We make assumptions about people all the time, sometimes without knowing. So if you take offence to every ignorant comment you receive, think how many others have probably taken offence to something you said or did or thought.
Aidan Neal
July 2, 2014 at 4:33 pm (10 years ago)He assumed so because they were black. It should not be ignored. And if there is a reaction it means it was not ignored…
How could your uncle pondering if it’s difficult in the states possibly be misconstrued as racist?
“I think it harms relationships between communities when people react badly to ignorance and confuse it with racism”
To this I’ll agree
“So if you take offence to every ignorant comment you receive, think how many others have probably taken offence to something you said or did or thought”
Indeed
Veronika Payne
June 30, 2014 at 9:19 pm (10 years ago)Most of this article leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Although there are some small points I agree with “Blurring” race is a great way to slow progression and allow discrimination to continue. You should look at the person next to you and realize that you are not “the same” race should be celebrated, talked and learned about and history should not be forgotten. If we accept the idea that one black cast member on a show is the “norm” or say it’s “okay”, or simply refuse to notice at all because “were all the same” we are doing our whole nation a disservice and that applies to many situations in life. I don’t have time to leave a lengthy response, but as an African American with an extremely diverse group of friends I would like to respectfully disagree with this piece if writing. I find it to be negative, audacious and only adds to the stereotype of African Americans always “using the race card”. This post is one that ALL people could do without.
Aidan Neal
June 30, 2014 at 9:43 pm (10 years ago)I didn’t say it was okay or the norm. I’m just not sure why it has to be taken up as a cause. Why do u have to see yourself reflected in everything. Are caucasians, asians, indians, jews reflected in every artistic expression. Where were the white people who were billed cast members of the Cosby show, a different world, living single. All very successful and relatable across all races. Why do we say the first african american female cast member when maya rudolph was a big part of snl for quite some time.
It was not at all my intention to offend and I’m sorry you feel this way. Cultures and individual attributes should and must continue to be celebrated, but I’m sorry I didn’t grow to see myself as different merely because of my color. I grew up in a world where I was fundamentally the same as everyone else. My intellect, drive, and ethics are what I was taught to propel myself to be different and or stand out. What about mixed races, who are they different from?
Also, stereotypes, while unacceptable, arise from a generalized common truth. The post is not meant to be negative and I don’t subscribe to definitive terms such as always. No one person or group does anything always.
I do appreciate your comment and wholly understand your perspective.
Thanks for sharing
Alicia Cadet
July 1, 2014 at 3:21 pm (10 years ago)Aidan your conversation is one I have had with several African-American friends. They agree whole heartedly but we also have to tread carefully on speaking on something that doesn’t belong to us. I am a natural born Jamaican of both African and Caucasian decent. For us growing up was all fun and laughter with friends and schoolmates. No one was worried about skin color but that’s because no one was around to make us feel inferior. No one was there to call us niggers, lynch us, beat us (well i guess our parents did that lol) make us feel we were lower than the lowest of animals. African-Americans have endured that for years and even though things have changed there is still a far way to go. Things are happening but we just don’t see it until it is brought to the surface. It is a psychological problem that has been ingrained in the mind that just doesn’t go away at the snap of a finger. So now when i have these discussions i speak about my experiences growing up in Jamaica and the differences but i don’t ever dare say to someone who has been bruised and battered that they should have the same outlook.
Aidan Neal
July 1, 2014 at 5:06 pm (10 years ago)I don’t dare to pretend that we should share the same outlook. Many persons have horrific pasts. They have remembered their scars and moved forward in more progressive ways. I have several South African friends and have visited and stayed there for quite some time without every feeling or being confronted with the same tensions I am here. They too share the same notions many Caribbean Americans have shared here and they have just emerged from their Jim Crow-like laws (the apartheid) only 10 years ago.
I am also not suggesting we just up and move on.
Thanks for your comment Alicia
Jae
July 1, 2014 at 4:46 pm (10 years ago)agreed
Ved
July 1, 2014 at 6:23 pm (10 years ago)I agree with you about how we were raised not thinking about the color of our skin in the Caribbean but in many situations subsequent to our raising be it because we pursued the American Universities for school or migration because of family, our difference in perspective come about after we have experienced some form of racism. Often times when Caribbean persons remain in certain geographic locations or job in America everything is well and dandy but when one attempts to elevate themselves from that location or job, the hurdles begin and it does not matter how high your intellect. In some situations intellect is one of the biggest hurdles because many people in the labor force are not as highly intellectual as our Caribbean people. Once you have experienced it, it is hard for it to go away and not think about it. It is scary sometimes once you have experienced the racism. I have.
Sooly
January 27, 2015 at 7:19 am (10 years ago)Aidan I can relate to your article as a Caribbean national myself. However, we have to be careful when making comparisons the African American experience is unique am also of the opinion that unless one actually live that experience it is almost impossible to fully understand it. With that said I also believe that some black Americans use the race card as an excuse for their laziness and lack of will. However something I realize in the US there is the perception by the powers that be that African Americans should get over it. But that same group of people bends over backwards to over compensate the other races for having similar experiences as black people in the past. One thing I will like to point out is that in the Caribbean as loving and tolerant as we are we do not hesitate to put someone in place when they steps out of line can you imagine our reaction had we have to deal with some of the experiences the African American still deals with to this day?? I can’t say for sure but somehow I have the feeling that we won’t be Matching singing we shall overcome….
Alicia Cadet
July 1, 2014 at 3:11 pm (10 years ago)Veronika i understand both points. The article is as truthful as it gets. In the islands we don’t worry about the color of our skin. That being said that’s because when slavery was abolished, most of the whites left the country. We didn’t have the after effects of abolishment that America has had. We didn’t have segregation, whites calling us Niggers, sit at the back of the bus, we don’t serve your kind etc. We didn’t have that. We took charge and made the island ours because they left. So our outlook is different from African-Americans.
Kay
July 1, 2014 at 3:32 pm (10 years ago)My thoughts exactly, which is funny, considering I am Caribbean. Not because I don’t have to deal with racism in my country I am not about to act as if it doesn’t exist elsewhere. I’d be a fool to think that, and am most certainly not ready to turn a blind eye to it no matter how subtle it is, I would be an even bigger fool to do that
cheryl
July 2, 2014 at 12:00 am (10 years ago)This article surely expresses my experience. When I used to visit I could not understand why African Americans reacted to situations and on occassions were upset that I did nothing about my “ill-treatment”. I did not get it. However after living here 20 years and having befriended some very precious African- American friends I now understand. I am sorry for the reader who was offended by the article but it is the reality and I guess we have lived in both situations and can compare. I can assure her it is not designed to be critical of African Americans (and I am sure that was not the writers intent) but get a better understanding of these differences because one cannot truly say that it does not exist. I guess like the football team having to give up the name “Red Skins”. I don’t think anything of it or see it as racist or discriminatory but American Indians who have lived through the period of discrimination and cruelty or know their history likely will be offended. In any case why can’t we just get along?
Alexander
June 30, 2014 at 8:59 pm (10 years ago)This is a great read thanks man and yeah it’s such a shift esp if you have multi ethic friends which we all do I think .. we never think about race I dont have much black in me but never thought oh look why isn’t their and Indian school principal or wow I have three black friends, two chinese friends etc … honestly when I am in the certain places in the states I feel very policed sometimes, this a great read and very relatable and very true of many of my friends experiences there .
Aidan Neal
June 30, 2014 at 9:45 pm (10 years ago)Thank you alex, I’m glad you enjoyed it
Yatta
June 30, 2014 at 5:44 pm (10 years ago)The differing context of historical situations of the two groups are entirely different and that should be considered in their responses to racism. Caribbean persons have experiences which have impacted their self awareness and pride in ways African Americans may not have. Caribbean persons of African descent have opportunities to grow up in societies where people who look like them are the leaders of their countries, where people who look like themselves are the majority group, where police officers and persons in the judiciary resemble them.
When a Caribbean person of African descent makes the trek up North, (s)he is traveling with the advantage of not having felt like the ‘other’ in the room, in the space, in the place.
Aidan Neal
June 30, 2014 at 6:18 pm (10 years ago)Very well said Yatta and I agree wholly. What I will add is that while we grew to see our likeness in everyone that surrounds us, we did not perpetuate that as something to be admired or make the color of our skin easier to accept. It just never came up, and as such it never really mattered. Adults who themselves have never directly experienced or witnessed racial hardships perpetuate to their children that they live in a place where they are different. Before a child can positively grow ignorant to racial differences, they are taught that they are in a “White mans land” where there are less of “us” on screen, on boards, and in office. While that is true and we must continue to make strides for change, the idea of an “us” and a “them” is the real problem. I hate when I see movies for “us” or “black movies” as a genre. Just make a good movie, if the cast is predominantly black then oh well. It should be slated a romantic comedy, not a black romantic comedy. Once more, those who make it to those planes -where we are the scattered few- were not influenced by goals to break racial/gender lines. They just wanted to be the best and that drive got them there.
JHB
July 1, 2014 at 3:42 pm (10 years ago)Being black in the Caribbean is like being white in the US. You don’t notice race because it doesn’t matter to you. Everyone of importance is black, why would you notice race?
As far as being rejected for jobs, Harvard has done studies that had black applicants and white applicants interview for the same job with the same resume and experience, and more often the white applicant got the job, at statistically significant margin. There are multiple types of racism, so while the white interviewer probably didn’t think, I don’t like black people, there is institutional racism. Which is black and white people grow up in different places and do different things. So when it is interview time, white applicants have more in common with the interviewer, so she feels they have “gelled” more.
Black people didn’t create the “black movie” genre, white people did. White people are more reluctant to watch movies and TV shows with all black casts. Later you mention number of shows which were popular with all races, but that’s like 10 shows out of how many thousands?
Debi
July 2, 2014 at 3:32 am (10 years ago)Just a point of note regarding your statement about classifing movie etc as black. It isn’t black people doing that. It’s actually the white and Jewish majority of the entertainment industry who make that decision.
Aidan Neal
July 2, 2014 at 3:39 am (10 years ago)What of BET news, shows, and television that has campaigned television for “us.” BET movies which became Black Starz and later Starz in Black is a decision driven by black executives. Centric tv too is geared towards black persons. In it’s demographic it states the station is geared solely towards african americans and it too is developed by BET. We are blatantly excluding others from our media, blatantly. This station is for us….not for you. But we turn around and blast several producers for their lack of diversity.
Also, the black movies genre came about as a result of the era of blaxploitation films. This genre was developed by the NAACP to highlight film arts produced by and for those of color.
Tenniel
July 2, 2014 at 1:33 pm (10 years ago)I too grew up in the Caribbean and later schooled in Toronto. For a while I thought the attitudes of other black people were a little ‘extreme’ but when I returned to my hometown I realized there were undercurrents of self-hate. We hate the darker shades of black, the tighter coils of hair, the thickness of lips, we are suspicious, we do not trust each other and are heard maligning ourselves to foreigners…..its ridiculous. Our overall experiences are different but we have our own divisions, perhaps if we had a common cause that would bring us to exemplify the allegiances we pledge to our flags we would treat each other better. Just a note, BET is owned by Viacom, not black persons. Though the original owner was black the perpetuation of the genre/’station for us’ is because a media conglomerate sees that it has commercial value. and not because we want to see a ‘blacks only’ network.
Aidan Neal
July 2, 2014 at 4:11 pm (10 years ago)I did not say it was owned by black executives, I said it was run by black executives and that the decisions engulfing the black movie/television genre were pushed by the NAACP. In addition, Viacom acquired BET in 2001, long after the blaxploitation era emerged.
So easily my words get misconstrued. That said, I must reiterate that I have no plight with it. The rebuttal was in response to a lack of diversity in television, in which a commentator spoke on television shows lacking diversity.
Alicia
January 28, 2015 at 11:26 am (10 years ago)Aidan, you are in a good space, poised for success. You are not ignoring but you are not yoking it to your psyche. One great way to rise out of this hell. The more people of color can do this, the better will be the outcome for the group.
Omri
July 1, 2014 at 11:13 pm (10 years ago)Growing up in Jamaica, Marcus Garvey was not aware of racism until his childhood friend (a white girl) was separated from him when they began to get older. He only began to see the extremes of racism when he began to travel outside Jamaica to other countries. because of our history of independence as a states not dominated by racist colonists many Caribbean people have been spared the harsher realities of racism (except probably Haitians).
Choupitte
July 2, 2014 at 5:37 pm (10 years ago)I’m not sure what you mean since Haiti has been free since 1804. (” our history of independence as a states not dominated by racist colonists many Caribbean people have been spared the harsher realities of racism (except probably Haitians)”).
The article rings very true for me. Growing up in Haiti, race was never really an issue. It is not absent but not the main focus like it seems to be in the US.
The other thing I never quite understood there is the fact that proper english is considered “white”. I’ve heard many times that I’m not black because of the way I speak ( I assume since nobody could explain what that actually meant). That is one thing I am not willing to change though, not even to put people at ease. It’s a language and it has its rules, just like french, spanish or any other language.
mhfrancois52
July 3, 2014 at 9:56 pm (10 years ago)What the hell do you mean except for Haiti. Why are you trolling??? Are you just gruesomely ignorant or plain stupid??? Haitians have had their Independence since 1804. Haitian boys are raised like black Kings from the day they are born. Racism as it exists in USA is just plain strange to us. Haitian women are miles ahead when it comes to education, professional brilliance. Did you grow up in Haiti???
belle
February 3, 2015 at 10:10 pm (10 years ago)In Haiti it is not about the color of your skin… However your social class plays a major role in how people look at you… I can be very dark and he/she can be very light… If I have more money than her/him.. People will have more respect for me..
Kayla
July 2, 2014 at 2:42 am (10 years ago)Completely agree with this comment. The reason so many Black American are so “hyper aware” of race and racism is because of the historical context and foundation of this nation (meaning, the United States). I identify as a Black American woman, and from an early age I was made aware of my ethnicity. The first time I was called a nigger was in the 5th grade – by a Korean-American classmate. I remember not exactly knowing what that word meant, but I knew it was meant to hurt and dehumanize me. I’ve been followed around in stores by white employees; I’ve been told that I look pretty for a “brown-skinned girl”. Black Americans derive from a world where race, color, hair texture, and other phenotypic markers are at the center of discussion. These features can often make or break you. If you are denied a job you are well- or over-qualified for, you (the author of this piece) may not believe this decision was made on the basis of race or ethnicity. But unequal employment opportunities (primarily based on race and gender identity) are REAL issues in the US. It’s not a figment of one’s imagination. As a friend once told me, “People say Blacks are always pulling the race card, but one must ask how that card got into the deck in the first place.” This nation was built off the disenfranchisement and marginalization of Black and Brown bodies. Once enslavement was abolished, the United States continued to oppress Black Americans through legalized systems of slavery. Jim Crow laws, the Black Codes, and mass incarceration, are only a handful of examples that exemplify why many Black Americans are so aware of race. Race has always been and continues to be used as a venue for social, political, and economic injustice. It’s a sad reality of the country we (Black Americans) call home. I do appreciate this piece and thank you for articulating your opinions, but there is so much more to the story – experiences and perspectives of so many Black Americans that Caribbean Americans (or any other community of people) just may not be able to relate.
Amanda Grey
June 30, 2014 at 5:42 pm (10 years ago)This is such a beautiful writing on such an ugly topic. I am a white Canadian married to a black Jamaican, we have lived in both places and I have experienced both situations. If only there was a more positive outlook for all. If only we didn’t fumble over a description of a different race. White and black are adjectives not racial slurs. If only people did not jump to such terrible conclusions. When I was pregnant I found myself close to a black woman and her little girl, feeling sentimental I couldn’t keep my eyes off of them. The woman took high offense to this asking if I had a problem with her or her child. She must have felt silly when I explained if I was wondering if my little girl was going to take after her daddy and be as pretty as her little girl. There is most definitely enough ugly in the world that we certainly don’t need to fabricate more.
Aidan Neal
June 30, 2014 at 6:01 pm (10 years ago)I agree Amanda. We are all setting ourselves back, or at best, keeping ourselves in the same ignorant place. If only we would be more inclined to the positive impressions as opposed to the negative ones.
Thanks so much for sharing your story.
Allison
June 30, 2014 at 3:05 pm (10 years ago)I could not agree with this article more. Growing up in the Caribbean, we do not have the type of insecurities people in the US may have. We were not nutured to make people’s differences a concern. In school, we would have been friends with whomever we wanted without worrying which race they belonged to. Granted it is not perfect, but the writer truly understands what it is to not have to worry about race but how to enjoy life without letting the elements of people’s beliefs about their race distract them from what they have to do. Well done Aidan!
Aidan Neal
June 30, 2014 at 3:21 pm (10 years ago)Thank you Allison,
I’m glad you enjoyed the article
Keith Greaves
July 2, 2014 at 11:36 pm (10 years ago)This is a well written article. But she (admittedly) doesn’t understand the racial dynamic here in this country. America is an extremely racist place, and the diversity of this “melting pot” actually makes things even more polarized and segregated. Even after slavery was abolished, American laws (Jim Crow) sanctioned racism which provided significant advantages, privileges, and rights for White Americans and restricted and degraded communities of color in matters including education, immigration, housing, voting rights, citizenship, land acquisition, and criminal procedure, over periods of time extending from the 17th century to the 1960s. American students are STILL taught an embarrassingly inaccurate history of the country that significantly dumbs down the true African American plight and puts a positive spin on tragic discriminatory events (referring to slavery and an economic necessity, for example).
Furthermore, racism continues to be reflected in socioeconomic inequality, and has taken on more modern, indirect (but still discriminatory) forms of expression. This subtle racism is a product of a modern trend towards racism being deemed morally repugnant. However, racial stratification continues to occur in employment, housing, education, lending, and government sectors. In fact, in the view of the U.S. Human Rights Network, a network of scores of US civil rights and human rights organizations, “Discrimination permeates all aspects of life in the United States, and extends to all communities of color.”
I don’t think all Black Americans are sitting around waiting for something racist to happen (as this article suggests) (most blacks don’t readily blame not immediately receiving bread at a restaurant on racism), we just have a keen understanding of the way this country was built and how it still operates, more so than one would expect from a Caribbean with a largely West Indian family history (a group that apparently mostly agrees with this article). White Europeans came over here and nearly annihilated an entire race of people (Native Americans are almost extinct). They continued to gained economic prominence completely due to free labor provided by black slaves, and have since acted as if America is a superpower because of their own ingenuity instead of the overwhelming advantage of free labor. Also, most American blacks still have living family members that personally experienced racism: being hosed down with fire hoses at public meetings; being required to use separate bathrooms and water fountains; being denied housing in the best areas, access to the best schools, and working opportunities that their white counterparts had; spat on/arrested for merely looking in the direction of a white person, etc. This is just a very racist country with an incredibly racist history, some things have gotten better, and other things have gotten worse. Black American’s aren’t eternally pessimistic or “stuck in the past”, we just know what/who we are dealing with, we know that not much has changed in the attitudes of the white community, and to just think differently and expect more from people would be ignoring some obvious truths….and perhaps ignorance is bliss.
Finola Jennings Clark
July 13, 2015 at 4:59 pm (9 years ago)I’m actually replying to Keith, I’m a white West Indian and have often had conversations about racism with various people re USA, West Indies, UK – your account of the USA is very true (not that you need me to say it to know that!) and the thing is we in the Caribbean, largely, have lived free of any of the post-slavery racism the USA practiced and kept in laws and still allows – we live in an entirely different situation. Our countries are black majority, black owned, black ruled. We have prejudices of race – African, Indian, white but not anything like USA or UK racism, and we have prejudices of country and skin colour – light/fair, dark.
Many of my West Indian friends, who do not ‘look for’ racism, have very clearly and harshly experienced USA racial profiling and contrasting that, in early days of our Jazz Festival, when lots of black-Americans especially from Atlanta, came here to visit – it was emotionally very moving to witness their experience of what our reality is: pretty much everyone is judged as mostly equal. For these black-American visitors it was like a light of hope, a new possibility of what life could be like. We cannot treat lightly the benefit we experience as West Indians and we cannot pretend that black people in the USA do not have a hell of a different history and present to contend with.
I do agree with Aidan that no-matter what the past and present, you do have to try to judge each situation in a real light, but I think the ‘real light’ in the USA has a lot of real racism in its spectrum.
Anthony S. Cottman
July 3, 2014 at 10:54 am (10 years ago)This article would be relevant if this was 1950, or perhaps 1896. The writer will not be able to rest on naive for more than one week after making this post. Come on this is 2014, if you were culturally ignorant of the world outside of your gate in the 50’s that is one thing. The mere fact that you have a blog, makes you responsible to know otherwise. That little slick “jus reach” ideology played out in the 80’s. You have a social responsibility to be aware as an adult and a world citizen. This has nothing to do with the person you are, after all you are either productive or non productive, a problem or a solution.
TG
July 3, 2014 at 11:09 pm (10 years ago)LOL!!
Jackie
July 5, 2014 at 8:17 pm (10 years ago)Agreed .Unless I read wrong , I saw no reference to shadism in the Caribbean!
Danielle
September 3, 2014 at 1:00 am (10 years ago)Are any of you replying negatively to this article Caribbean?! I personally completely agree with this article and feel exactly the same way.
Elijah Snow
January 23, 2015 at 3:39 pm (10 years ago)I think you are jaded. As the rest of “Americans” are.
Jay
January 25, 2015 at 6:22 pm (10 years ago)WoW. Are you from the Caribbean? This article is very relevent TODAY. I have been here four years and I am still shocked at some of the things I see not to only with regard to African Americans and Caucasians but with regard to every race I have happened to come across. To go as far as to say that the our ideology is slick and played out demonstrates a lack of ignorance on your part and a lack of consideration for simple human psychology. Every now and then I have experiences outside of the “whole race thing” that make me feel like i “just reach” despite being here four years. Lastly your comment on being ignorant on the world outside your gates is nothing short of…. ignorant. Can you tell me the about the social construction of the people or countries outside of America? Can you tell me about family life, culture, history, economic status, gender differences four every country outside of America?
Let me just close this response by recalling that I have had more than one professor entertain students asking me if we swing from trees in my island. If this is a demonstration of Americans’ understanding of the world outside their gates then let’s throw the word “ignorant” around some more.. There is much more to reading books and watching CNN news if you want to be aware of the world outside your gates.
Astrid
April 7, 2015 at 9:10 pm (10 years ago)Really? Save it Aidan!! Don’t get me started… superiority complex at its worst.
Yvonne Dean
July 18, 2015 at 5:19 am (9 years ago)Caribbean
Mike
July 6, 2014 at 2:37 pm (10 years ago)First and foremost, i just want to thank the blogger and all of the commentators for such a powerful, informative and entertaining read. I cant help but get excited when black people are having such a riveting intellectually stimulating debate such as this one. Our culture has been set up to where these types of convos only happen in these types of places….if you know what i mean.
My family is from the west indies, and growing up being exposed to my caribbean roots never spurred me to not identify with black americans. In my eyes i was simply raised different, and how i spoke or what i ate or how i behaved was not enough to disassociate from african americans-after all, their plight was my own.
I grew up in the only place in The southeastern united states that didnt have that profoundly checkered history of racial intolerance (miami), but thats not to say that issues such as segregation, gentrification , the income and education gap and outright racial hostility didnt exist there. My family fought tooth and nail to strive for better in this country, constantly being passed over, red lined and gerrymandered in to insignificance and voicelessness. We were black, whether we wanted to be or not. On an secluded island in the caribbean we literally know everybody, they all look like us, and we govern ourselves. These are cornerstones of our blissful ignorance as we came to this country to play for a “losing team”- being black in america with no privilege, no legacy, and no money is one of the hardest things to over come in this country. Throw a crack epidemic into the mix to an untrained eye, blacks are solely responsible for their own demise.
Identifying as black shouldnt be the problem that it is for many of us island folk. We are separating ourselves from struggle that we too have been fighting and simply didnt have the historical reference to realize we were. While i appreciate the your post blogger, it couldnt be any further from the reality of our plight. Just because our boat pulled up to a random caribbean island as opposed to the shore of the americas doesnt make us any more privileged or less black than our brothers and sisters that have endured several generations of black oppression.
Yes, the african american culture has issues internally but dont think for a second that those issues are independent of our own prospectus. We are merely a declining 13% of 350 million people. And there are people in this country that didnt even see a negro in person until they went to college. That same subset have never learned our history, never read our books, and have been taught an “alternative history” of blacks in america. The US government recognizes us as socially disadvantaged!
I am proud of my caribbean roots as i am proud to claim my african american distinction as well. Drawing another line between the cultures is just another useless rift that divides us a makes us weaker as a community.
Our destinies are intertwined because we are one people, and to disassociate or refer to black folks as “them” continues to propagate a systemic divide that was taught to our culture my the very people that enslaved us 400 years ago.
Maureen Richards
January 28, 2015 at 4:13 am (10 years ago)Mike, I agree with you but, also see the writers point of view. She has not taken into consideration many of the issues you mentioned. We all come to this country with preconceived ideas about blacks/African Americans. Most of us only knew what we saw on TV. I must admit, I came here with the “better off cousin” attitude. The little I knew of American history made me feel angry that “they” would lay down and allow themselves to be treated poorly. No one came home and spoke the truth of the conditions they lived under in this country. We were all told that the streets are paved with gold. When our families came home to visit they were dressed to the kilt, towing one or two barrels with clearance items they have been slowly purchasing during the year or on credits. Slavery was far more brutal than it was in the Caribbean. Nanny and her brothers could run into the hills, hide and fight back. Run here and you more or likely end up on another plantation or having every nearby plantation owner and their blood thirsty crews chasing you. There wasn’t much places to run. Then there was Jim Crowe. African Americans have lived under oppression for hundreds of years. That can depress anyone. Our experiences were different and we should not allow that to divide us. We are here because of the sacrifices they made, which we can never begin to imagine. I came to America in 1983 to New York. I was called a nigger on Wall Street where I worked at a bank. Yes, I was shocked and it hurt like hell. I have lived for 26 years in Alabama and have learnt so much about the struggles African Americans have endured in this country. The system of racism her is institutionalized. It was only 54 years ago that the students from Friendship Community College sat at a lunch counter and were dragged out, beaten and arrested. The wounds of racism runs deep in this country. I am 56 years old and my friends can tell me stories of hearing the bomb going off at the Sixteenth Avenue Baptist Church, of being saved because they were running late for Church. Sitting in the dingy back room of a doctor’s office and waiting till all the white patients were seen to get attended to. Yes, we grow up seeing our countries being run by people who look like us. But, we were not speared colorism and class. You couldn’t work in a bank, airline and other businesses unless you had fair skin. We couldn’t go to the resorts until Michael Manley came into power in the 70’s. Indians, white, chinese Syrians, Lebanese etc., think they are better than blacks. So, let us be real. The advantage is that we (black people of the Caribbean are in the majority. I close by saying this. When I lived in Tampa, I was hired by a Vietnamese company. There were two white women in the office. One was from Dothan, Alabama who was in her 40’s at the time. She confessed that they both had a conversation on whether they could work with a black girl. They would have conversations about black people in my presence and then turn to me and say “We are not talking about you, we don’t consider you black”. I made it quite clear to them that when you speak badly of black people, you are speaking about me. When I fill out any paper work if black is not included, I check African American and I am still proud of my Caribbean heritage. I am thankful for the sacrifices made by my brothers and sisters that afforded me the opportunities to live the life I do in this country.
Ann marie
July 11, 2015 at 9:41 pm (9 years ago)Perfectly penned Mike…u caught the whole essence & ur diction complements the lead article & rightfully explains the difference in the experiences.
Fortunately for Caribbeans the Black American experience is a nearly foreign one to us but with which we should be able to empathize.
Leandra Harris
July 12, 2015 at 10:27 pm (9 years ago)Thank you Mike! As a 1st generation Caribbean American, I could not have said this better.
Mike
July 7, 2014 at 11:20 am (10 years ago)First and foremost, i just want to thank the blogger and all of the commentators for such a powerful, informative and entertaining read. I cant help but get excited when black people are having such a riveting intellectually stimulating debate such as this one. Our culture has been set up to where these types of convos only happen in these types of places….if you know what i mean.
My family is from the west indies, and growing up being exposed to my caribbean roots never spurred me to not identify with black americans. In my eyes i was simply raised different, and how i spoke or what i ate or how i behaved was not enough to disassociate from african americans-after all, their plight was my own.
I grew up in the only place in The southeastern united states that didnt have that profoundly checkered history of racial intolerance (miami), but thats not to say that issues such as segregation, gentrification , the income and education gap and outright racial hostility didnt exist there. My family fought tooth and nail to strive for better in this country, constantly being passed over, red lined and gerrymandered in to insignificance and voicelessness. We were black, whether we wanted to be or not. On an secluded island in the caribbean we literally know everybody, they all look like us, and we govern ourselves. These are cornerstones of our blissful ignorance as we came to this country to play for a “losing team”- being black in america with no privilege, no legacy, and no money is one of the hardest things to over come in this country. Throw a crack epidemic into the mix to an untrained eye, blacks are solely responsible for their own demise.
Identifying as black shouldnt be the problem that it is for many of us island folk. We are separating ourselves from struggle that we too have been fighting and simply didnt have the historical reference to realize we were. While i appreciate the your post blogger, it couldnt be any further from the reality of our plight. Just because our boat pulled up to a random caribbean island as opposed to the shore of the americas doesnt make us any more privileged or less black than our brothers and sisters that have endured several generations of black oppression.
Yes, the african american culture has issues internally but dont think for a second that those issues are independent of our own prospectus. We are merely a declining 13% of 350 million people. And there are people in this country that didnt even see a negro in person until they went to college. That same subset have never learned our history, never read our books, and have been taught an “alternative history” of blacks in america. The US government recognizes us as socially disadvantaged!
I am proud of my caribbean roots as i am proud to claim my african american distinction as well. Drawing another line between the cultures is just another useless rift that divides us a makes us weaker as a community.
Our destinies are intertwined because we are one people, and to disassociate or refer to black folks as “them” continues to propagate a systemic divide that was taught to our culture my the very people that enslaved us 400 years ago.
EB
September 4, 2015 at 2:47 pm (9 years ago)I read all your posts as the tears welled up in my eyes. At first I reasoned that this was perhaps a healthy debate between African Americans and Caribbean people – and this may very well be true. However, I can’t help but concluding that the white man’s divide and rule strategy is still in play. I would like to humbly suggest that we take the conversation to another level, where we explore strategies that can improve our realities and relationship, and honor the memory of our foreparents who were dragged to the Americas and dehumanized. We are a traumatized people here in the Americas. I believe we can heal ourselves – in fact, no one else will do it for us. I love you my people.
Curtis
September 24, 2015 at 11:27 pm (9 years ago)Those views obviously come from a bias individual, likely one who is a immigrant himself, or foreigner, because its very much the opposite. Especially dominicans, who are self jating blacks due to their colonial history & brainwashing. Look at the field of lightening the skin in dominican republic, compare it to the us, then they arrive here, it’s not as though they leave behind those racist & bigoted & self hating views. Then its projected once here. Don’t take my word, talk to one honest enough & secure enough to engage in a open, honest dialog.